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    Posted: 07 August 2022 at 14:48
The size and weight of the Viltrox/Tokina F1.8 is a reason I haven't tried it.

I have three 85mm AF primes right now which is rather silly as I don't have much use for them. One would be more than I need.

The Samyang F1.4 is quite nice. It is sharper than the other 85mm primes I've had. It focuses faster than their other AF primes--very similar to the Sony F1.8. It has less CA than that lens. It is more chunky.
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If you have already made your decision, please ignore my post.
If I am buying a 85, I will consider Sony 85/1.8 for its optical quality, being light and fast. If weight is not a problem, then I will go for Sigma DG DN.
Currently I am using adapted Sony Zeiss 85/1.4 ZA. It is small and sharp but without focusing motor, it is relatively noisy.
I also used an adapted Nikon 85/1.4 G on older Sony mirrorless bodies but newer one no longer support autofocus.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote neilt3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 June 2022 at 09:58
Meike have just released a new 85mm f/1.8 autofocus lens for E mount .
At £163 , it seems a bargain .
I'm guessing it's another lens that's a copy of a Canon lens who's patent has expired .
I'm waiting to see some reviews and I might pick one up .
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 June 2022 at 08:57
I recently picked up a Viltrox 85/1.8 for my Canon EOS-R and it is noticeably bigger then my Sony 85/1.8. I did not expect that. No review I saw mentioned this - they all said it was as good as the Sony IQ-wise. They do not tell you it is bigger (82x67 vs 92x72) and heavier (371g vs 484).

The Sony is more expensive but still affordable. I guess you pay for the smaller size and the OEM part. So, yeah, Rower, makes sense
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I have the 85DGDN Sigma, which is pretty petite for an 85/1.4. The rendering is fantastic and I have no reservations about the lens itself.

But if I were buying today, I would however opt for the 85/1.8 Sony lens. Specifically for its compact size and lightness, and f/1.8 is plenty fast for most situations.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote AudioDoc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 January 2022 at 23:03
Originally posted by Wētāpunga Wētāpunga wrote:



Often it's not about buying the "best" lens you can find, but the lens that best suits your particular photography needs (and budget!). And the Loxias have a lot of other selling points for me- the small size makes them great for hiking with and the manual focusing experience is exceptionally good.



You've hit the nail on the head! How very true that is! This is one huge advantage of the E mount! So many lenses to choose from Sony and third party manufacturers. There is something to suit every photographer and budget. I have the complete set of Batis lenses because I love the Zeiss rendering. The focal length I use most often is 40mm (Batis). FWIW, the Batis lenses do have that OLED depth of field display, which can be handy for manual focus. Of course nothing like the Loxia experience I'm sure. Speaking of MF, I need to dust off some of my old Minolta SR mount Rokkors
and take them for a spin!

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Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

Don't forget there is now Voigtländer 35mm f2 APO-lanthar also.
Voigtlander's APO-lanthar lenses are known for their optical prowess.

But OP has a 35GM and I have personally not shot with any 35mm that's as good as the GM lens.


Yes, The APO-Lanthars are generally very good but apparently their 35 doesn't seem to reach the same standard https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-zeiss-loxia-35mm-2-0/

OTOH, if you (as Frank does) have a 35/1.4 GM already, then yes, I agree, there's no compelling reason to replace it or buy another 35mm
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Post Options Post Options   Quote nandbytes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 January 2022 at 22:42
Don't forget there is now Voigtländer 35mm f2 APO-lanthar also.
Voigtlander's APO-lanthar lenses are known for their optical prowess.

But OP has a 35GM and I have personally not shot with any 35mm that's as good as the GM lens.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Wētāpunga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 January 2022 at 22:14
I think the 35/2 review on Phillipreeve.net (https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-zeiss-loxia-35mm-2-0/) in the end, has the a final comment that sums up my view.

"Despite some of the technical shortcomings I have bought this lens myself now. In retrospective the photos I have taken with this lens have something about them I really like, I think it is best described as a very punchy micro contrast. Take into account most of my photos are taken stopped down, this was indeed the best (small) 35mm lens for my needs."

Often it's not about buying the "best" lens you can find, but the lens that best suits your particular photography needs (and budget!). And the Loxias have a lot of other selling points for me- the small size makes them great for hiking with and the manual focusing experience is exceptionally good.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote nandbytes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 January 2022 at 22:06
I prefer https://phillipreeve.net/blog/ to Sony alpha blog. I find Sony alpha blog to be inaccurate and inconsistent at times.

I still think a good zoom is best for your use case.
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Originally posted by Wētāpunga Wētāpunga wrote:

The thing about the Loxia 35/2 being the weakest of the set, is that you're starting with a very high bar. You're comparing it to all the other Loxia lenses .

The positive is is still has all the Zeiss rendering and resolving power of the other Loxias. Where it is weakest is in the f2 to f4 range, where the corners are softer, and there's more coma. As that's not the apertures I photograph landscapes or seascapes with, it's not a something that bothers me.

If photographing wide-open does matter to you, then there are better options than the Loxia 35/2. If you are typically shooting at f5.6 or smaller apertures, all you'll really ntocie is that lovely Zeiss rendering

One of the strengths of going 'all in' on the Loxias is they all share the same 52mm filter thread. I have a comprehensive set of high quality (=$$$) ND, circular polariser and night filters all in 52mm size. If I replaced the 35/2 with a different 35mm lens, I'd probably need to buy more filters just for it. So I have even less reason to replace it.


Thanks for that. I don't think I'd be shooting wide open with a Loxia 35mm unless I change my landscape style ... which is pretty unlikely. I suppose I could shoot them all at f2 and focus stack if I felt like being a masochist ... but no, I think f5.6 or 8 will be just fine for me.
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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

Sony Alpha Blog has a table of their indoor bookcase testing of lenses on the A7RIV. The two 70 to 100mm lenses with both center and corners "outstanding" at F8 are the new Sigma 85mm F1.4 DG DN and Kipon Iberit 90mm F2.4. The later is a fairly inexpensive mechanical lens. It doesn't match their review of the lens. The Loxia has "outstanding" for the center but only "excellent" for the corners there at F8. They also rate the Samyang AF 85mm F1.4 as "outstanding" in the center and "excellent" in the corners at F8. It would be better to find someone who has done back to back testing at infinity.


I find the Sony Alpha Blog interesting but his testing methods are very subjective. Photographing a book case at home where the evaluation of sharpness cannot be accurately measured and compared does not give me much confidence. It's a pointer at best I suppose. I prefer MTF charts as a guide to actual sharpness. The majority of his subject matter when he gets away from his bookcase are relatively close (often portraits) whereas my pictures being landscapes, would have both foreground, midground and distant objects.

The Loxia doesn't do well for him it seems but almost everyone else who have tested them disagree.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I suppose!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Wētāpunga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 January 2022 at 21:39
The thing about the Loxia 35/2 being the weakest of the set, is that you're starting with a very high bar. You're comparing it to all the other Loxia lenses .

The positive is is still has all the Zeiss rendering and resolving power of the other Loxias. Where it is weakest is in the f2 to f4 range, where the corners are softer, and there's more coma. As that's not the apertures I photograph landscapes or seascapes with, it's not a something that bothers me.

If photographing wide-open does matter to you, then there are better options than the Loxia 35/2. If you are typically shooting at f5.6 or smaller apertures, all you'll really ntocie is that lovely Zeiss rendering

One of the strengths of going 'all in' on the Loxias is they all share the same 52mm filter thread. I have a comprehensive set of high quality (=$$$) ND, circular polariser and night filters all in 52mm size. If I replaced the 35/2 with a different 35mm lens, I'd probably need to buy more filters just for it. So I have even less reason to replace it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 January 2022 at 21:13
Sony Alpha Blog has a table of their indoor bookcase testing of lenses on the A7RIV. The two 70 to 100mm lenses with both center and corners "outstanding" at F8 are the new Sigma 85mm F1.4 DG DN and Kipon Iberit 90mm F2.4. The later is a fairly inexpensive mechanical lens. It doesn't match their review of the lens. The Loxia has "outstanding" for the center but only "excellent" for the corners there at F8. They also rate the Samyang AF 85mm F1.4 as "outstanding" in the center and "excellent" in the corners at F8. It would be better to find someone who has done back to back testing at infinity.

Edited by QuietOC - 26 January 2022 at 21:37
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