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    Posted: 19 April 2024 at 21:48
Originally posted by Mestari Mestari wrote:

And optically is Viltrox close to 14GM?


They are about equal in all areas I'd say. I certainly can't notice any difference and if there is any its purely academic than real world impacting.

Edit:
Actually just been processing more shots from viltrox 16mm f1.8. Feel like it has more vignetting than the 14GM.
Plus 14GM is noticeably wider. 16mm is generally as wide as I want/need most of the time. Even with 14GM I used to crop in a little a lot of the time to match 15-16mm to get the framing I wanted.

Edited by nandbytes - 19 April 2024 at 22:50
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And optically is Viltrox close to 14GM?
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Originally posted by Hezu Hezu wrote:

Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

The main driver was the provision of a normal 77mm filter thread with a removable hood. Its also nice that its a fair bit cheaper so I managed to get some money back (rarely happens on upgrades!)

I do not like its size any more than I did 14GM's. Its actually heavier which I am also not pleased about.
One of the reasons I bought it was to shoot the night sky. I took it with me to shoot the Northern lights. The metal body of the lens was literally freezing, I had to later "scrape" ice off the lens. That worries me a bit to be honest. Whatever material sony uses for their lenses does not have this problem.
I wonder if a lens heater would have worked to keep frost off from the front element?
Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

Overall I am not looking to switch back to 14GM right now. But I feel if Sony or Sigma wishes it is possible to make a smaller/lighter lens than what viltrox have achieved with the same performance.
I think there is not much room for improvement regarding size and weight on Sony FE 1.8/14 GM. Slower aperture could help, but then it wouldn't be as useful for astrophotography. Although small size and light weight are always nice to have, I probably would still go next to the other direction and pick one of the Sigma F1.4 primes for astrophotography, most likely the new 15 mm fisheye. Despite that its weight is similar to that of the new Sigma 500 mm F5.6!


Front element was fine. It was the metal body that was freezing and developing a layer of ice on it.
Sony lens didn't have this issue. So I imagine it's down to the material used.
A non-metal body would also probably weigh less. But I agree 14GM isn't hugely smaller or lighter. but then again 14GM is smaller despite having a fixed hood.

14GM - 83mm x 100mm x 460g
V16/1.8 - 85mm x 103mm x 550g

So if Sony/Sigma were to make a 16mm like lens I imagine they might be able to make it smaller and lighter or may be not.... just my imagination

Basically I swapped to Viltrox for the 77mm filter thread which I haven't actually used yet! But I imagine it will come in handy in future because I do use filters.

I wouldn't want a slower prime lens, f1.8 is my minimum.
Sigma 14mm f1.4 has tempted me but its too big to want to travel with tbh. It would probably only get used locally and very rarely, so its not worth the money for me.

And before these two lenses I owned a laowa 15mm f2 which was 77mm x 82mm x 500g. Also came with a 72mm filter thread that matches my 20-70mm and 70-200mm.
I did really enjoy this lens but its the worst one of the three optically especially wide open (both sharpness and coma) where it gets used a lot.

Edited by nandbytes - 19 April 2024 at 18:20
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Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

The main driver was the provision of a normal 77mm filter thread with a removable hood. Its also nice that its a fair bit cheaper so I managed to get some money back (rarely happens on upgrades!)

I do not like its size any more than I did 14GM's. Its actually heavier which I am also not pleased about.
One of the reasons I bought it was to shoot the night sky. I took it with me to shoot the Northern lights. The metal body of the lens was literally freezing, I had to later "scrape" ice off the lens. That worries me a bit to be honest. Whatever material sony uses for their lenses does not have this problem.
I wonder if a lens heater would have worked to keep frost off from the front element?
Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

Overall I am not looking to switch back to 14GM right now. But I feel if Sony or Sigma wishes it is possible to make a smaller/lighter lens than what viltrox have achieved with the same performance.
I think there is not much room for improvement regarding size and weight on Sony FE 1.8/14 GM. Slower aperture could help, but then it wouldn't be as useful for astrophotography. Although small size and light weight are always nice to have, I probably would still go next to the other direction and pick one of the Sigma F1.4 primes for astrophotography, most likely the new 15 mm fisheye. Despite that its weight is similar to that of the new Sigma 500 mm F5.6!
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Originally posted by Hezu Hezu wrote:

Guess what? I think for me the screen articulation was perhaps the most important reason to get α7R V...
As I do own both α1 and α7R V, I'm torn on which one I like more: α1 has the shooting speed and blackout-free EVF that I love, on the other hand α7R V has that more articulate screen, slightly improved AF and few other minor updates that are very useful. In certain way α9 III combines these advantages (+ few extras) into single camera body, albeit the downside is the lower resolution sensor.

But I think that unless I win tonight 115 million euros in Eurojackpot lottery, I will wait little longer to ponder what camera or lens I should get next, after all my current setup covers most of my needs and already it is impossible to carry around everything.


I think/hoping A1MK2 will be "the one".
A1's sensor with blackout free shooting, the subject detection, IBIS, LCD from A7RV, pre-shoot buffer implementation from A9III.

That'll be a "perfect" body for me (that I probably couldn't afford )
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Originally posted by Mestari Mestari wrote:

Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

I have a viltrox 16mm f1.8 now which replaced the 14GM. That's my fast UWA lens.


Could you please tell more? Why the change and are you happy with the switch?


The main driver was the provision of a normal 77mm filter thread with a removable hood. Its also nice that its a fair bit cheaper so I managed to get some money back (rarely happens on upgrades!)

I do not like its size any more than I did 14GM's. Its actually heavier which I am also not pleased about.
One of the reasons I bought it was to shoot the night sky. I took it with me to shoot the Northern lights. The metal body of the lens was literally freezing, I had to later "scrape" ice off the lens. That worries me a bit to be honest. Whatever material sony uses for their lenses does not have this problem.

Overall I am not looking to switch back to 14GM right now. But I feel if Sony or Sigma wishes it is possible to make a smaller/lighter lens than what viltrox have achieved with the same performance.
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Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

The fully articulating screen on A7RV has certainly come in very handy on my travels. Even still I wouldn't have upgraded just for that.
Guess what? I think for me the screen articulation was perhaps the most important reason to get α7R V...
Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

I had the A1 before the A7IV and a7RV. Overall I have enjoyed using the A7RV a lot more.
As I do own both α1 and α7R V, I'm torn on which one I like more: α1 has the shooting speed and blackout-free EVF that I love, on the other hand α7R V has that more articulate screen, slightly improved AF and few other minor updates that are very useful. In certain way α9 III combines these advantages (+ few extras) into single camera body, albeit the downside is the lower resolution sensor.

But I think that unless I win tonight 115 million euros in Eurojackpot lottery, I will wait little longer to ponder what camera or lens I should get next, after all my current setup covers most of my needs and already it is impossible to carry around everything.
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Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

I have a viltrox 16mm f1.8 now which replaced the 14GM. That's my fast UWA lens.


Could you please tell more? Why the change and are you happy with the switch?
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Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

I...

Personally I have fallen out of love with f2.8 zooms. I prefer to use f4 zooms which provide better versatility and fast f1.4 primes which provides wide aperture. F2.8 zooms for me are neither here nor there, large and expensive.


I agree, that's a good conclusion. One of the old advantages of f2.8 lenses with SLRs, is they focused a bit faster as focusing against the focal points, was done at a fully open aperture. So had more 'light' to work with. Which could be critical for action shots.

With modern mirrrorless cameras you don't need that f2.8 aperture to quickly focus on the subject. And there's something to be said for the lighter weight of an f4 (etc) zoom for traveling or hiking.
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The SELP1635G looks to be a very nice, compact replacement for the CZ1635mm A mount lens you were using earlier Joe. And all adds up to a much more convenient travel package.

And you had a very good run without any lens purchases Kelly. The Sony 20/1.8 is a good compact lens. I wonder how long it will be however, until we hear reports of a new camera purchase...

It looks like I'll be leaving Nanjing however, with no new gear. Not even anything from DJI.
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Originally posted by AudioDoc AudioDoc wrote:

Thanks, Anand!

Ah, I see, the A mount 16-35mm f2.8 Carl Zeiss. Yes, that would have been bigger and heavier, not something for "old farts" like me! I try to keep size and weight down. The main reason for updating my wide angle zoom will be just that. Not a priority though. Thanks for the tip on the Sigma. I have been checking out the Tamron 20-40mm f2.8. That's a more useable range for my photos.

Also, I must confess, I succumbed to GAS! I could not resist temptation. I broke down and purchased a new lens this week -- the Sony 20mm f1.8 G!

My reasons for wanting the A7rV are: fully articulating screen (the reason I didn't buy the A7IV -- the flippy screen), better buttons feel, (though I don't like the new record button location -- don't shoot video), AI focus tracking for many types of subjects, focus bracketing (for stacking) and the ability to choose a number of resolution other than just 61MP. Better IBIS is a definite plus.

The A7cr is certainly attractive other than the flip out screen. single card slot is not too big a deal, lack of joy stick could be a negative. Whether it has the ability to use lower resolutions like the A7rV? Small size is a plus. Haven't actually tried one of those compact full frame camera. Would be interested in hearing feed back from those that have.

Kind regards,

Kelly


I wasn't impressed with the sharpness of the 20-40mm f2.8. Sony 20-70mm is a more useful lens for me with a lot more range, sharpness and versatility too. you can get 0.4x magnification with 20-70mm which pretty useful at times.

I had the original A7C and my missus mostly used it. It was a fun body to use with smaller lenses. My main issue with it was the lack of forefinger dial and 1/4000s shutter. They fixed the former issue and left the latter unchanged :(
I believe you can choose to shoot at lower res on A7CR too.

The fully articulating screen on A7RV has certainly come in very handy on my travels. Even still I wouldn't have upgraded just for that.
I had the A1 before the A7IV and a7RV. Overall I have enjoyed using the A7RV a lot more.

Edited by nandbytes - 18 April 2024 at 22:57
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Thanks, Anand!

Ah, I see, the A mount 16-35mm f2.8 Carl Zeiss. Yes, that would have been bigger and heavier, not something for "old farts" like me! I try to keep size and weight down. The main reason for updating my wide angle zoom will be just that. Not a priority though. Thanks for the tip on the Sigma. I have been checking out the Tamron 20-40mm f2.8. That's a more useable range for my photos.

Also, I must confess, I succumbed to GAS! I could not resist temptation. I broke down and purchased a new lens this week -- the Sony 20mm f1.8 G!

My reasons for wanting the A7rV are: fully articulating screen (the reason I didn't buy the A7IV -- the flippy screen), better buttons feel, (though I don't like the new record button location -- don't shoot video), AI focus tracking for many types of subjects, focus bracketing (for stacking) and the ability to choose a number of resolution other than just 61MP. Better IBIS is a definite plus.

The A7cr is certainly attractive other than the flip out screen. single card slot is not too big a deal, lack of joy stick could be a negative. Whether it has the ability to use lower resolutions like the A7rV? Small size is a plus. Haven't actually tried one of those compact full frame camera. Would be interested in hearing feed back from those that have.

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Originally posted by AudioDoc AudioDoc wrote:


RE: the FE 16-35mm f4 PZ. I assume you are comparing it with the FE 16-35mm f4 ZA OSS which I own, and like a lot. Yes, I'm sure it's better, but going by the reviews I've read, I wouldn't say it was "loads better". And I wouldn't personally consider it because of the power zoom -- another product designed with video/content creators in mind. For me the better choice would easily be the new 16-25mm f2.8 G! That would be a worthwhile upgrade to my Sony Zeiss. Of course the ZA has OSS and I still shoot sometimes with my old A7 so in that case it has a bit of an advantage. In real world photos in most cases we might not see much difference between these lenses, though the G would have the advantage in lower light. And it has all the buttons and switches that most newer Sony lenses have -- and thankfully, no power zoom!


hello Kelly, no I was comparing to the A-mount 16-35mm f2.8 hence "CZ" 16-35mm. If I am not mistaken A-mount lenses were Carl Zeiss and since then they have dropped "Carl" (poor old Carl!) and your lens is only Zeiss

I've had both A-mount CZ 16-35mm f2.8 and E-mount Zeiss 16-35mm f4. I also owned the Sony 16-35mm f2.8 GM (first version). I used the 16-35mm f4 at a local Sony camera event. Anecdotally I felt it was sharper than all the other 16-35mms I have owned in the past. I have since moved away from 16-35mm lenses and gone with 20-70mm.

The powerzoom doesn't bother me but I get that it seems to bother a lot of other people. It has other benefits like not extending when you zoom.
This would be my lens of choice if I were to go back to 16-35mm type lenses.

If you are eye-ing the 16-25mm f2.8 G, why not just get sigma 16-28mm f2.8 DN? cheaper, good image quality, about same size and bit of extra reach.

Originally posted by AudioDoc AudioDoc wrote:


Seems like you are really liking that A7rV! That is the camera I'm wanting, but I have to ask myself if I really need it! The $400 off with extras @ B&H has me really tempted! Maybe down the road a piece! An A7V with the newer features of the A7rV might be tempting if they up the Mp a bit more. I am totally fine with the 42 Mp of my A7rIIIa. Sony has been releasing upgraded cameras about every 2 years. If they do that this fall, perhaps there might be price drops on the current cameras. But you never know, I might succumb to temptation in a week moment and pull the trigger on the A7rV.


After testing it out in the shop I pretty much only got it for the new IBIS. Otherwise would have probably stuck with A7IV.
I was tempted by A7CR or A7CII but as my only body I wanted a full featured one with dual slots and 1/8000s shutter.

Originally posted by AudioDoc AudioDoc wrote:


BTW, I'm getting warnings today that the Dyxum site is not secure. This morning I couldn't access the site at all. Anyone else have that issue?

Kind regards,

Kelly


The warning is because the SSL certificate has expired. I am sure the mod will have it fixed eventually. no need to panic I think.

Edited by nandbytes - 18 April 2024 at 21:37
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Originally posted by Harm vb Harm vb wrote:

An A7RV is beyond my wishes, but slowly an A7RivA is entering my possibilities.

Anyone having this camera? I would love to receive by mail a raw-file out of the camera just to test it with my laptop and software🫣🫣.


Check out Mark Galer's reviews of the A7rIV and A7rV on YouTube. As I recall you can download the RAW files from his example photos. Not sure if they are full resolution. But its worth a look. Also Google full res RAW files form the A7rIV

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