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    Posted: 26 January 2023 at 23:08
Of course, that is obvious to me, I've been photographing for more than 25 years now :)
But I do lack experience with E mount. I did turn the correction on, it was off by default. I just don't seem to be happy with the results even after turning it on (it may be I want too much for too little $). I need to play around with RAWs too and compare. Maybe I do something wrong.
I the mean time this Tamron is actually great walk around lens when you know its limitations.
 



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You likely already know this, but the camera lens and sensor need to me in the same plane/parallel to the subject. If not you get perspective distortion. This is especially noticeable with wide angle lenses and when photographing architecture and perhaps tilting the lens up. I'm not so familiar with the APS-C E mount cameras and lenses and their performance. My last APS-C camera was the Konica-Minolta Maxxum 7D.

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You may need to enable the distortion compensation in the camera menu. The default setting is off. It does gets force enabled with some Sony branded lenses and when using those the user is not allowed to disabled it.

It seems like every E-mount lens with electrical contacts comes with the lens profile information.
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Thank you for the reply. I definitely need to learn a lot :)
I was basing my theory on my experiences with Tamron and a6000. It does has distortion which I am allergic to ;) and still distorts when I have the correction set to on in camera. It only is an issue with architecture or straight horizon. But maybe I need to perform some software update somewhere? I just thought that correction information is stored in lens and given to camera via lens mount contacts. I may be wrong, obviously...
Or maybe the correction is there and without it, it would be even worse and I simply need well corrected lenses? That would be expensive and heavy conclusion ;)
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Mestari,

It seems many newer lenses do have uncorrected distortion and vignetting because these can be corrected in camera and post processing with lens profiles. The manufacturer then prioritize sharpness and other aspects of lens IQ. A zoom lens is complex and there are always compromises and we can't realistically expect them to perform as well as prime lenses. But most of the newer zoom lenses perform at a higher level then those from years gone by. And really, unless you are making huge prints from a high res sensor (or pixel peeping) most people would never notice the difference in these lenses, in my opinion. I've watched a few YouTube reviews of this lens and it does very well in most ways and distortion is corrected in jpegs in camera. You would really need to try the lens out to see if you notice unusual uncorrected distortion at 20mm. If you are very critical, maybe just stick with good prime lenses. But zooms are indeed practical for traveling light! I have no problem myself traveling with my Tamron 28-200mm f28-5.6. I just need to understand it's limitations and its not going to perform like my Zeiss lenses. You may want to consider some of the Tamron zoom lenses for travel -- well, other than the excellent 35-150 which is very heavy. My main zoom lens used with my Maxxum 7D and my Sony A99 was the KM 28-75mm f2.8 which was really made by Tamron and it was a very good lens. Not the quality of your ZA 24-70mm f2.8 perhaps, but lighter in weight.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Mestari Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 January 2023 at 07:07
I was thinking a lot lately about those things. I still am using a900 with 16-35, 24-70 zeisses and 70-400G and few primes (85Z & STF).
Yes, not really travel friendly.
Some time ago I got a6000 with PZ 16-50. Dreadful lens. I quickly got 35 1.8 to go permanently with it as my travel option. I know it doesn't cover all of those focal ranges but at least quality is there, you don't have to sacrifice it.
Lately I have added to my travel option a much heavier but relatively light Tamron 17-70 2.8 with stabilization. Apart from too much distortion, I am happy.
Full frame waits for more funds to upgrade but when I am ready a7rm5 it is. And 20-70 just got removed from my possible choices list due to distortion at wide end.
My FF option needs to be the quality goes first option, although yes, weight is very important too... I have patience, I can wait and save up :) I just need some good advices. But maybe a separate thread for that would be good.
 



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Yeah, I wouldn't take a lens weighing over 1kg as my travel lens...

All lenses intended for travel involve trade offs, you just have to figure out what you're willing to give up to get the features you think you'll need the most .

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Post Options Post Options   Quote AudioDoc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 January 2023 at 19:41
Tara,

You can see the specs for both lenses here on Dyxum in the lens database.
The 35-150 weighs more than twice as much. Of course it is a fast lens f2.0-f2.8. It would be a great lens for a wedding photographer.

Considering what I shoot when traveling, I'm usually going for max depth of field and not shallow so fast isn't so necessary except in low light. That would be a reason for carrying a small fast prime for those occasions or for portraits. The 28-200 is f2.8 at the wide end and f5.6 at 200mm so really pretty good, and very good value. And lightweight. Great for travel landscapes, and street photography. Also for me the 67mm filter thread was important. Most of my Zeiss Batis lenses use that filter size. So I only care one 67mm polarizer with me.

Weight of the two lenses: 575 grams vs 1165 grams.

Renting a camera or lens is never a bad idea before buying.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote tarabelle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 January 2023 at 19:20
Weight is a HUGE factor for me, I may rent the 35-150 to see if it's too heavy for me..........
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Tara,
Keep in mind this is highly subjective. It depends on your photographic taste and which focal lengths you like to use. The 35-150 is a fantastic lens and covers most of the focal lengths I like to use, but it is bigger and heavier, so for me it would not be a good travel lens. The 28-200 is smaller and lighter and it is really a very good lens. You have to try it out and see if you like it before returning it. The only negatives that I can think of are, it has no built in stabilization, it is not as fast as a lens like the 35-150 and it has some ca at 28mm in high contrast conditions i.e subjects with sky as background. That usually can be corrected in post.
It's always best to take the opinions you read hear as general guideline. What is right for me, might not be right for you. However, for what it's worth, you will find some pro photographers that are also using the Tamron 28-200 as a travel lens.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote tarabelle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 January 2023 at 17:20
Originally posted by AudioDoc AudioDoc wrote:

I agree that for me, 70mm is not long enough. like Pieter, my go to travel zoom is the Tamron 28-200mm, which is an under appreciated lens! I have been traveling with it and the FE-16-35mm f4 ZA.


I just got the 28-200, was hesitating and considering returning it, but may keep it now hearing this. I was contemplating sending it back for the Tamron 35-150

24-70 just isn't enough range for me personally.
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Most people here seem to have a normal zoom and the 20mm wide end is interesting, but not enough to buy it. I hope other people will as it is an interesting lens.

I thought the Tamron 20-40 was a disappointment. 20mm wide is fine, but the 40mm is not even a true normal. Tamron made a 20-40/2.7-3.5 in 1994 and Sigma made a 20-40/2.8 in 2001. A 20-40/2.8 in 2022 is not impressive. Also, Canon had a 17-40/4L in 2003. The Tamron 20-40 is not really in the same class as the 20-70/4G.

16-50 is a nice range, but tbh I would have been happy with a 20-50. The new lens gives an extra 20mm extra on the long end.
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I bad mouthed Sony on the plans for the new year thread for copying the "standard" focal lengths, then they come out with a 20-70 LOL.

I have a Panasonic FZ300 compact/bridge that has angle-of-view equivalent 20-1200, and the 20mm is very useful. Of course the Sony marketing department is ignoring the Panasonic 20-60 and the Tamron 20-40....

The lack of stabilzation is surprising, and is a return to the Amount days when Sony lenses were expensive despite not having stabilization (yes apparently the Euro market pays 50% more for the 20-70?????). It has an aperture ring, and AF/MF switch, and FocusHold button; I don't understand why all lenses don't have that. It doesn't have the sexy Olympus push-pull clutch for Manual Focus, but otherwise seems fully spec'd.

Olympus has the 2 year old 8-25/4, which seems a much more useful angle-of-view equivalent, 16-50mm is everything except "portrait" and "tele", and for travel/landscape/architecture wider is better, then a tele for "tele" and a fast 1.8 prime, the Oly 45/1.8 is well-regarded and tiny.

My travel kit has been a compact/bridge (Panasonic FZ1000) and nex7 (or 5n with external viewfinder) with Minolta MD 50/1.7.

There are several of you who swear by the Tamron 28-200; when the 35-150/f2-2.8 came out I lamented it wasn't 28-135 to copy the Secret Handshake and you pointed me to the 28-200, I guess 28/2.8 at the wide end is almost perfect (but 28/2 is more perfect LOL).
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Originally posted by AudioDoc AudioDoc wrote:

I agree that for me, 70mm is not long enough. like Pieter, my go to travel zoom is the Tamron 28-200mm, which is an under appreciated lens! I have been traveling with it and the FE-16-35mm f4 ZA.


The 20mm end is nice, but yes, 70mm is a bit on the short side. My travel rule of thumb was to always start with a short zoom and a long zoom, and then add (or replace the long zoom) a specialist lens if you have certain goals. My current main stay is the Sony 24-105mm.

The art so to speak of travel photography, was always to see what you could shoot with just a small kit that you bring. It forces a different kind of creativity I learned quickly not to take lenses for *every* eventuality.

You can also often fudge say, a close up shot with a diopter instead of bringing a macro lens. Stitching 2-3 shots can also create a 'wider angle' perspective.
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