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    Posted: 06 April 2024 at 06:48
Originally posted by angora angora wrote:

A-MA-ZING; TWO prezzies even! so happy for you! (I w/b over the moon!).


(((these questions you pose below are what really interest me. The first photo looks to me as a set-up photo "posed".
Even the gangplank photo looks so perfect, like mannequins spaced evenly with all faces visible.

The main question I have, is your question. Who paid for the whole thing and why, and why us? Putting photos, like the Statue of Liberty photo, into school text books is quite a rigorous subject.
It would be embarrassing if the people in the school book turned out to be war criminals))) Yikes!


did they mentioned photog actually 'own' this photo?
were y'all actually posing? who paid the photog anyway?


edit! copyright until 70 years after death I think it was? not 75.
which all c/b found on the internet of course. every rule + what has (not) changed?


Thank you Angora, Thats quite a dissertation on copyright. You do know a lot, much more than me ha ha. Took me a while to digest it all.
I didn't know getty was such a piranha, eating up every dollar it can in such a blood thirsty way. Their business model seems to work, they are the go-to store for images in the US.

If they want to go after me for sharing images of myself with family to friends and family, for non profit---Screw them! I've never been to an image bank, so what do I know.

I learned a lot. Once again, thank you Angora
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A-MA-ZING; TWO prezzies even! so happy for you! (I w/b over the moon!).
about a certain price- proves Getty sure knows how to count. :)
(and that they are s*ckers indeed, your thoughts ).
what else can they prove?

I for one know very little about copyright. I do know there are many people selling digtal copies of stuff that is no longer copyrighted, like antique maps, drawings, cards, paintings. the latter can be downloaded for free in hi-res from our national (Rijks-) museum, for instance. and since they are no longer copyrighted, it's completely legal to use and sell them.
check out any image bank, selling stock photos, and you'll find them! watermarked. at any price?
(long story 'short'- it turns out that a lot of digital content can be bought through the stock market from clever vendors. -amazingly good 'counters' among them-.
but the very same can also be obtained for free. IF you know where to get it).


as for photographs- copyright vanishes 70 years after the death of the photographer.
not sure about heirs.
in this case you'd have to wait a few more years ;) but if they are sold under the Getty flag- who is Getty?
(Getty! not Magnum or another serious agency).
and did the mentioned photog actually 'own' this photo?
were y'all actually posing? who paid the photog anyway?

suppose you decide to do something simular today. you go to a port, wait for the arrival of a -say- cruise ship and you start taking pics of people.
since you are a bit lazy, your 1st pic is taken from quite a distance and there are at least 500 people in it. some may be recognizable, but since you introduce yourself as a journalist and call it a 'journalistic' pic, you probably get away with it.
then you take a photo of two people and a toddler. which you cannot sell, unless your victims give you permission, meaning their autograph, for the toddler as well. without a signed model release, you are not allowed to sell your own photo. or any photo with a recognizable person in it. or sometimes even a building from a famous architect or anything Disney. etcetera?
image banks are very strict about that, trying to avoid anything that could get them into trouble.

if I were you or you w/b me, I would like to know who owns the copyright of these photographs, and why, 'thus' has the right to sell them for almost $500?


edit! copyright until 70 years after death I think it was? not 75.
which all c/b found on the internet of course. every rule + what has (not) changed?


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Originally posted by Harm vb Harm vb wrote:

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Yes, that is special!

Wow, great story! Nice to see and, nerd as I am, I would spend that $499 for that print


I don't know 🤔
First I think thats a suckers price. Not even realistic (no offense, just my thoughts) and I actually have a lot of baby and family photos of us taken in Germany. I think I will leave that up to my daughter or buy it for her if she wants it. Although she is a Silicon Valley girl, a lot richer than I.

If I could come up with that Statue of Liberty photo that has a good chance 😉
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Thank you Addy

Thanks you Dopol

Thank you Joe

Thank you Chris

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Originally posted by MichelvA MichelvA wrote:

Originally posted by Coast Coast wrote:

Thats me, my Father, my mother, my grandmother and grandfather.

If I hadn't posted those pictures here on Dyxum and your encouragements, I would never have this new treasured photo 🫶🏻

That is amazing Joe. I am really happy for you. For us, this kind of stories is great, thanks for sharing that.   

I think you're right Michel. Migration in an international forum like ours is particularly poignant, where members themselves have migrated or have friends or family that have and tons of photo documents
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Originally posted by 4paul 4paul wrote:

Ellis Island used to have the archives on-site, you could go through the books. Maybe the ship details might help find the other picture?

Thanks Paul, good idea. I wonder if thats possible online. I see that guy on PBS "Finding your Roots" show specialize in searching that stuff. I sure would like to find that Statue of Liberty photo
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Originally posted by waldo_posth waldo_posth wrote:

Great find, Josef! That picture seems to be an invaluable document of your family history! And living in these times give you lots of reasons for nostalgic feelings!

Thank you Harald, One never knows what's around the next corner. Which is one of the main motivating factors for all the photo adventures I go on.
My next trip is as exciting as my first one was.

You hit the nail on the head, How far some have fallen compared to those days.

And once again; thank you for waking me up
Your American Buddy ___Josef
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Originally posted by Mestari Mestari wrote:

Interesting story and a really good picture!
And expensive one too, $500 for a 6MP file...
I would assume your family would own a print already.

Thanks Mestari, Surprisingly We don't have a print. My folks never even mentioned the photoshoot. My guess is they were too busy getting on with their life in the New World and probably forgot all about it 🤷‍♂️
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Originally posted by Phil Wood Phil Wood wrote:

First I'd heard of Douglas Grundy - who seems to have packed a lot into a short life (he died in 1962 aged 41). See here

Phil Wood; I actually have you to thank for that new photo.
I saw your post and I wondered what relevance does the photographer have to the photo or the people in the photo. Than looked deeper in your post and saw how much info there is even on a "no-name" guy like Grundy and did my search and came up with this treasure of a photo.

Thank You Phil Wood 👏🏻
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Originally posted by Jozioau Jozioau wrote:

Great photo, and archetypical of the post-war migrant experience, one I shared but in Australia where my parents and me aged 3 arrived in January 1949 on the Yugoslav flagged "Partizanka", a former British ship (used as a troop-ship during the war) and originally Christened "Shawnee" when launched in 1931.
My guess would be, given the square format, that the photo would have been a 6cm x 6cm negative and the camera was most likely a twin lens reflex, a Rolleiflex, or one of its imitators.
Good luck finding that photo with the Statue of Liberty in the background, and thanks for sharing.
Józef

Wow Joe! that must have been some voyage on an 1931 troop carrier. At least you made it!
Looks like we have more in common that just our names, like 3 years old, coming to the New World by ship and now we find ourselves chatting in Dyxum.

Interesting. my parents never mentioned this photoshoot, or showed me any pictures except the text book with the us and the Statue of Liberty photo. That photo is forever etched into my mind it was so dramatic.
I guess they were working hard on getting on in the New World.
My name on my German birth certificate is spelled Josef
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

You're expensive!

Nice picture - clearly a talented photographer. Did a quick search and found some sports photos by Doug Grundy that I suspect is the same person.

When was this taken? Could have been a Minolta as they made Minolta cameras since 1933 - but unlikely this was a Minolta. But in the 50's they made rangefinders and TLR's

Yes addy your right. Thats our man. For a regular, journeyman photographer he did what was asked of him. I keep marveling how in the gangplank photo we are perfectly spaced out and faces are all visible. What's the odd's on that?
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Originally posted by MichelvA MichelvA wrote:

Amazing shot with the story behind it. You must be thrilled your daughter found this image. To me this is a typical immigrant photo, and it also includes the most beautiful part of Manhattan. TFS Joe

Thank you Michele. Yes, my wonderful daughter. She actually sent the digitized photo to me about 5 years ago. She had never seen the coming off the boat picture before and loved seeing the grandparents. The reason she is in America.
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Thank you all for the kind words, well wishes and for coming along on this journey with me. Although for me it was more of an odyssey. You never know what's around the next corner, even at our age 👨🏼‍🦳
Joe

I've been here in the US for all I can remember and feel I was born here.
Photos like these instantly take one back to ones real Roots

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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Yes, that is special!

Wow, great story! Nice to see and, nerd as I am, I would spend that $499 for that print
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