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alphaPDX
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Topic: Decision Time - Decision Taken!!! Posted: 08 June 2024 at 01:50 |
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I'm a big fan of the 4:3 ratio for my images. I've kept my eM1 with several nice primes, the 14-140 Lumix and an old four thirds Zuiko 70-300.
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Jim R, SW Washington USA
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Harm vb
Senior Member Joined: 19 May 2019 Country: Netherlands Location: Gorinchem Status: Offline Posts: 2553 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 June 2024 at 20:43 | |
I hope you enjoy your new toys! All the best.
First shots look good! |
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Harm with 2 camera's and too many lenses.
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owenn01
Alpha Eyes group Joined: 20 May 2008 Country: United Kingdom Location: Kent Status: Offline Posts: 12320 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 June 2024 at 17:10 | |
Hi Kelly - thanks for the positive post and you really haven't lost me at all - I will still be on here! As for the A6xxx series, I did look at those but they really are too thin and lacking the 'feel' of a camera for me; I couldn't imagine me at brands hatch trying to pan with one of those if I'm honest.
And anyway - I still have the a77ii and a couple of gem lenses to use so it's not all bad news. Take care and best regards, Neil. |
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AudioDoc
Senior Member Joined: 26 January 2006 Country: United States Location: SLC Utah Status: Offline Posts: 3465 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 June 2024 at 16:45 | |
Thank you for the update, Neil!
And congratulations on your new camera and lenses! It seems like a sensible choice! Sony FE cameras and lenses, though they can be smaller and lighter than A mount gear, that is not always the case. That is why many chose to use the smaller 6000 series Apsc cameras and lenses. Nevertheless we will miss you if you don't post results here! And btw, these photos from your new system look fabulous! TFS! Kind regards, Kelly |
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owenn01
Alpha Eyes group Joined: 20 May 2008 Country: United Kingdom Location: Kent Status: Offline Posts: 12320 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 June 2024 at 16:21 | |
Dear All,
You may recall I posted this thread asking for feedback on choices to upgrade my camera a few weeks ago. The final outcome was that the 'no brainer' was the A7 RV for all sorts of reasons. However - that also brought with it a change in lenses and/or the addition of the LEA-5 adapter as well to enable me to continue using my A-mount favourites. I spent a long, long time thinking about this as the main reason - as I mentioned - was weight. Julie - my wife - had started to notice that the day after spending all day out with my camera gear I was very tired and that she also thought the weight was becoming excessive (she wouldn't carry it!) so that was an important factor in all this as well. After my 'issue' with the leg infection from 2022 I've been left with much less stamina than I used to have so I needed to consider this aspect as well. And photography should be fun as a pastime! I then bumped into a friend from work who I hadn't seen for years and he had gone through the same process; assessments, reviews, debate - then made a choice for much the same reasons as I - too old and too heavy (the gear; not me I hasten to add!) meant a big decision. He had his camera and a set of lenses with him - plus I had seen the results he could get - and the difference was revelatory in weight alone. A visit to a local camera store to compare and contrast set the decision. So.... what have I done? Well - before the 'reveal' I will say that it is a change in system BUT I have not walked away from the A-Mount. In fact, I have kept the a77ii; the Sony 135/1.8 ZA, the Sigma 70-200/2.8 EX DG HSM, the re-mounted and 'chipped' Minolta-Rokkor 58mm/1.2 and a couple of other, minor lenses, as there will be specific circumstances (like the Hole Park thread I posted recently) where they will be the 'go to' choice for Garden photography (Julie described my 'affair' with those three lenses as 'irrational' but there you go...), so I will still be posting on here and, hopefully, be considered as still being an active part of the community. But I have had to move on.... so what to? Well, I have gone in a completely different direction and taken on one of the new OM OM-1 D Mk II systems, complete with a range of lenses covering almost all my normal needs (12 - 40/2.8 PRO II; 40 - 150/2.8 PRO II and an OM ED 100-400/f 5 - 6.3). I weighed the a77ii and the 135/1,8 when I was getting the gear together to trade in and those two alone weighed nearly 2.5 Kg; the OM-1 and the two smaller lenses combined barely weigh above that. A bit of a no-brainer really. When I called a couple of retailers they were very positive about both systems but the clincher was also the file size of the A7 RV - yes; I know I could 'down size' the capture but that didn't seem sensible given that it is sold with a 60Mp native sensor?. It would also have meant the outlay on a whole new PC in the home as well - and I wasn't - at this moment - prepared to go and do that. So. That is the deed. I will be learning a whole new system in the coming weeks but, as I mentioned. still happily posting and commenting on here in support of you all and, hopefully, will continue to be warmly welcomed. It is such a great site and source of information way beyond just cameras and lenses - and I've learned a lot over the years - that we need to continue supporting it. I hope that you all understand and accept this 'move'. Oh - and I've already been out with the system - here's a few from last week at Goodnestone Park in East Kent: 1. Foxglove and Greenhouse 2. Spikey 3. Flint wall Garden 4. The Long View 5. Busy Bee This is an almost 100% crop from the 12-40/2.8 which I find quite impressive! 6. Blue isolation 7. 'Game Of Thrones Tree Trunk' 8. Church Pew The last two were with the 40 - 150/2.8 PRO II lens - a rather nice, compact (and light!) lens which seems to work pretty well. Lots to learn but please, I won't be ignoring Dyxum any time soon! Thanks for the attention and very best regards, Neil. |
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alpha_in_exile
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 April 2024 at 14:29 | |
Drive space is an issue with 61MP (and to some degree 42MP). Processing speed might not be too poor in an old machine depending on your software - Lr was running and would open big files on my 12 yr old PC with 8GB RAM, but - I can't remember all the details - I think it was running Lr 3.6, and the only way I could get A7R IV RAWs was to convert them to DNG, first. And it wouldn't run Windows 10 or 11... and it couldn't take .M2 SSDs. I built a new PC computer for about little over $1000 with a very new motherboard (expandable), 16GB RAM, 4TB in SSD storage, and Win 11. The killer was the graphics card, which might be a little cheaper today.
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-- Matt
A7RM4, Min 24/2.8, Min 50/1.4, Min 85/1.4, FE 24/1.4 GM, FE 135/1.8 GM, Tam 70-200/2.8 my web gallery |
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Wētāpunga
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 April 2024 at 10:47 | |
Ah, Hezu, I am an aggressive culler of photos.
A few hours at the beach, taking bursts of photos when the waves look interesting, can add up to 1000+ images very easily. I just select the best handful, and delete the rest. I have the goal of keeping my photo collection to less than 2TB. |
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α1- Voigtländer 15/4.5, 110/2.5 M; Zeiss Loxia- 21/2.8, 35/2, 50/2 & 85/2.4, Zeiss Batis- 85/1.8 & 135/2.8; Sony 24-105/4 & 100-400/4.5-5.6; Sigma 70/2.8 M; Sony 135/2.8 STF
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Hezu
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 April 2024 at 10:42 | |
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Wētāpunga
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 April 2024 at 09:25 | |
I was using an Alienware R15 laptop (2015)- with 16G RAM- to process a7Riii photos in Capture One until last year.
It was fine for that. Getting a good machine does 'future proof' things for many years. I'm now using an M1 Max Studio with 32G RAM. Apple's Silicon (M-generation) chips are optimised to work with a lot of the software we use. So it's a bit like having "twice the RAM". I imagine an M3 chip with 16G RAM should be pretty efficient for photo editing for years to come. I only went with the specs I have, for video editing where the extra cores and RAM are very useful. |
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α1- Voigtländer 15/4.5, 110/2.5 M; Zeiss Loxia- 21/2.8, 35/2, 50/2 & 85/2.4, Zeiss Batis- 85/1.8 & 135/2.8; Sony 24-105/4 & 100-400/4.5-5.6; Sigma 70/2.8 M; Sony 135/2.8 STF
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addy landzaat
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 April 2024 at 07:12 | |
A900/A850 sales were hurt by the lack of video. The only company that can pull of a camera without video is Leica. And be aware, a camera without video functions won't be cheaper, it in fact might be more expensive as a niche product.
Re: "consequential cost of ownership": people worry to much. Any decent recent mid to high end computer should be able to handle 61mpx. I run a 2015 5th gen Intel i5 with 16mb DDR3 memory. It struggles with my A7r4 files, yes, but it is 9 years old! It just did fine with the 42mpx of the A99m2 and A7r2 - no complaints. Anything with a little more power and a little more memory should be able to handle these 61mpx files without problems. Apple M-processors are a little less memory sensitive, a M1/M2/M3 with 16gb can handle these files easily. |
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XKAES
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 April 2024 at 02:16 | |
In my book, they did -- the a900 & a850. |
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AudioDoc
Senior Member Joined: 26 January 2006 Country: United States Location: SLC Utah Status: Offline Posts: 3465 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 April 2024 at 17:15 | |
Sounds like a plan, Neil!
Re: "consequential cost of ownership" very accurate prase! Indeed, even without large file size, computer software, especially photo editing apps can quickly render hardware obsolete! Especially memory and Graphics (GPU). And Apple does make it a pain, not allowing hardware updates on most newer gear. On the other hand, from my experience, my Apple devices have held up much better and longer than my past Windows PCs. My current Mac Mini M1 with 16Gb memory with external SSD for photo storage and editings easily handles the 42Mp files from my A7rIIIa and I think would Also be Ok with 61Mp files, so I think the iMac M3 with 16Mp should work well for you. I use a Synology NAS for Archiving my photos and other data. Larger or more more memory cards may be in order. Keep us posted! Regards, Kelly |
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owenn01
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 April 2024 at 11:35 | |
Thanks everyone for the comments and suggestion - greatly appreciated.
There is also one very big 'elephant in the room' around the A7R V running at 'full capability' - and that is file size. I am resigned to having to upgrade my processing hardware anyway as my current MacBook pro is starting to feel it's age (all it really needs is a memory upgrade - but Apple, in their infinite wisdom, barred that possibility with these models a long time ago and modern software is so memory hungry), so I will be going through an upgrade path shortly anyway - but will get something with more memory than seems necessary! I'm currently considering an iMac with an M3 chip but with additional memory (16Gb unified memory) to try and make it as 'future proof' as I think I will need. I think the phrase I'm looking for is 'consequential cost of ownership' Best regards, Neil. |
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alpha_in_exile
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 April 2024 at 18:42 | |
Neil, my thoughts would run thusly:
I, too, am a generalist photographer, but I earn some money as a second shooter at weddings, so my criteria are slightly different. But I've been shooting with the A7R IV for over a year, now, and I would be inclined to recommend the A7R V, with some caveats. The body will be smaller but not substantially lighter than the A99. The AF will be better than A7R IV because the IV does not have bird eye-AF, nor the upgraded 'AI' focusing. (The IV's face recognition was a type of AI, I think, but it does not recognize all faces as faces - though it is very good). The RV will have better animal eye AF. And it has the better articulating screen. The A7R V reportedly does not suffer the 'star eater' issue in astrophotography - I have had some problems with that on the A7R IV. The 61MP sensor has excellent dynamic range - better than the alternatives. I did have to build a new computer to handle the big files, but I needed a new computer anyway. The sensor readout is slow, on A7R IV, so I actually get distortion when using Silent Shutter, to the point I turned that off (much as I would LIKE to use it) - the A1 would be better, and the A7R V will have a similar readout delay. Aside from readout speed, and shutter lag as old lenses stop down their aperture on LA-EA5, I'm confident you would enjoy it. The 61MP is great for landscapes, architecture, macro, birding, etc., and I'm sure it would keep up with sports. Lenses - the A7R IV focuses quickly and tracks well with the LA-EA5, but with shallow DOF and a fast-moving subject I have missed focus with A-mount lenses when I would not with equivalent E-mount lenses. As others have mentioned there are SOME E-mount lenses that are smaller, and many that aren't. I'm a strange wedding photographer because I prefer primes (for speed/aperture). As a second shooter, I mainly shoot candids, and I 'zoom with my feet'. I have used the CZ 135 in the past. I now own, and prefer, the e-mount 135mm 1.8 GM - it is lighter, focuses faster and silently, I like the manual focus even though it's electronic, I like the aperture ring, etc. Maybe the CZ bokeh was sometimes better (not always), but I so much prefer the focus speed and silence that I would get the GM anyway. I'd like to have the 200-600 G you mentioned, but otherwise I cannot even fantasize about the Sony zooms, they cost so much (the GMII's). Tamron has nice alternatives in E-mount. I have used the Tam 70-180/2.8, it's very nice, but I'll stick with the Sony 135/1.8 GM. I agree that the 24-105/4 looks nice, but the Tamron 35-150/2-2.8 (while bigger) might replace more lenses (expensive, though). My lightweight setup right now is: Minolta(O) 24/2.8 on LA-EA5 in one pocket, Min(O) 50/1.4 in another pocket, and 135 GM on the camera. I might one day replace the 24mm with 24/1.4 GM, but I'm not in a hurry to switch to bigger lenses. |
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-- Matt
A7RM4, Min 24/2.8, Min 50/1.4, Min 85/1.4, FE 24/1.4 GM, FE 135/1.8 GM, Tam 70-200/2.8 my web gallery |
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