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Maxxum 7D - What Percentage Suffered From FFB???

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    Posted: 16 December 2024 at 19:08
Hello all.

It's been a very long time since I posted anything on Dyxum. I still use A-Mount cameras and I doubt I will ever move on to another system unless all my digital cameras die. Even then, I would probably go E-Mount with the A-mount to E-Mount adapter. However, I digress.

What I'm writing about today is the Maxxum 7D (Dynax 7D). I have one that I purchased used a few years back. It was made in 2005 based on the serial number. So far, no "First Frame Black" (FFB). I don't know if it ever was repaired for FFB. However, I will continue to use it at will until it dies.

I have a chance to get another one from the same camera store. This one was made in 2004. The seller has indicated to me that it does not suffer from FFB. However, he can not confirm if it ever was repaired for the problem either. Same with the last camera I might add. There is a 30 day return policy. So, I'm thinking of getting it since I know they are a good camera store that will honor a return if the camera does demonstrate FFB.

What I'm looking to learn is what percentage of the Maxxum (Dynax) 7D's actually suffered from FFB? Was it 5%? Was it 10%? Maybe 25%? I'm curious to know. Was there ever a poll documenting the number of FFB cameras vs. cameras that were just fine and still working. Also, if this camera doesn't demonstrate any FFB would it be safe to say it will not ever suffer from it? Or were they all to inevitably suffer the FFB syndrome (even after the FFB repair)?

Just to note. I do have a Maxxum 5D camera that had the problem and I did get it repaired. To this day it still works. All be it, I hardly use my Maxxum 5D.

If anyone can offer any information or even their 2 cents worth of an opinion I would appreciate it.


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I have 2 X Maxxum 7D and 1 X Maxxum 5D

One of the Maxxum 7D's was purchased new in 2006 and has seen little usage ( less than 1000 pictures taken with it). The other was purchased used and had a repair for FFB confirmation by Precision Camera. So as of now, the one purchased new still does not exhibit any symptom but the used one started signs of FFB again after about 4500 pictures taken with it
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The Maxxum 5D occasionally exhibits signs of Ati Shake failure ( depends if i have a lens mounted on it before use or not). But i can still use it sometimes which is a bit unusual.

My guess is they will all eventually fail after a certain number of pictures taken due to the wear of the faulty mechanism that was likely not changed in a permanent way by the repair parts used.
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Welcome back

I think it is hard to know how many cameras were affected. Anecdotal, my 7D was repaired for FFB, but is fine now.

I am not sure they all will fail after some number of pictures due to wear - mechanics doesn't always works like that. Sometimes it is lack of use and sometimes it is just bad luck.

Fun (?) fact: I have a Canon EOS 6D that suffers from some form of FFB.
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The one I bought used around 2007 ( no idea on manufacturing date ) had always worked fine .
It's not had as much use this last three or so years , so occasionally shows FFB if it's not been used for a while .
Regular use seems to keep it at bay .
A/S has always been spot on .
I'm not sure if recommend buying one now as it might have been sat in a draw for fifteen years unused , which doesn't seem to do some electron goods much good .
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Post Options Post Options   Quote owenn01 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 December 2024 at 22:37
Welcome back indeed, NIKO.

I'm afraid all you can conclude from such a study on 'just' Dyxum is how many Members 7D's had the FFB issue; without knowing if this is a representative proportion of all 7D's sold which may or may not have had the problem, I think that's about as far as you will get? It's an interesting study for sure but the end point can only be related to our Members experiences.

For the record, I have a 7D from new and it's never had the FFB issue!

Best regards, Neil.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote NIKO Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 December 2024 at 19:47
Originally posted by owenn01 owenn01 wrote:

Welcome back indeed, NIKO.

I'm afraid all you can conclude from such a study on 'just' Dyxum is how many Members 7D's had the FFB issue; without knowing if this is a representative proportion of all 7D's sold which may or may not have had the problem, I think that's about as far as you will get? It's an interesting study for sure but the end point can only be related to our Members experiences.

For the record, I have a 7D from new and it's never had the FFB issue!

Best regards, Neil.


Well that indeed is nice to hear. The 7D I had purchased a few years back used also never showed me the problem. Whether it was repaired for the problem or not I will never know.

Neil, may I ask what the 3rd digit is of your serial number? If it's a 4 the camera was made in 2004. If it's a 5 then the camera was made in 2005. At least that is the information that I learned about the serial numbers. Whether true or not is another story. Also, for the next 5 digits after the 3rd, are you in the 100's (xx1xx), the thousands (x1xxx), or ten thousands (1xxxxx)? I don't need the actual numbers of your serial number other than the 3rd digit. I just want to get an idea of when your camera was made. My theory is that if the camera was made in 2005 and is a later number like, for example, 93510203. It would indicate to me that this camera was made in 2005 and was unit 10203. Did Minolta even make these cameras into the 10's of thousands per year? I don't know. However, the later number may indicate that they were already fixed for the problem. Again, just an educated guess.

Anyway, thanks to all who responded so far. It is much appreciated.

Neil, perhaps you're correct to seek information from DYXUM members, to whom have owned a Maxxum (Dynax) 7D (perhaps also 5D), if they ever had FFB or not. Maybe DYXUM should take an official member toll as to who had these problems verses who did not and which camera they owned (7D or 5D). It would be interesting to see the percentages.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Flyingzebra Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 January 2025 at 19:10
I’m in similar position here - I could get into a 7D for about 150usd

Due to the potential issues with the camera I wonder if it’s a bad idea to even consider this model at all
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Also - how are you fellows determining the shutter actuation count of these 7D bodies?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote owenn01 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 January 2025 at 12:28
Hi NIKO,

Just catching up with this. I have dug my 7D out of the store (!) and the serial number is 01408169

Make of that what you will! I'd be sort of interested to see what you think of the build date and run length for example. Again, no FFB issues to date!

Thanks and best regards, Neil.
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My 7d was bought new in 2005 I think. SN: 92509882

It worked fine for the first few years but developed the FFB issue. Now I have to power it on, take a photo, power it off and then back on before I can actually use the camera to take photos.

Edited by glefebvre - 07 January 2025 at 20:47
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My serial number is 98501860 and it was bought after the Sony take over in 2006.
It was repaired under warranty by Sony for FFB - it is fine now.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote NIKO Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 January 2025 at 23:33
Hey guys. Just catching up on his thread as well.

Thanks for the additional input. Clearly, it would seem that regardless of the year the camera was built it may still develop FFB down the road. Though, I have to believe that the very latest models must have been fixed for FFB when the problems was confirmed.

I can only hope that my Maxxum 7D won't develop this problem. As for my Maxxum 5D, it was fixed for the problem and it hasn't reoccurred. At least, not yet. Hopefully it won't either.
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