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    Posted: 07 January 2008 at 10:17
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For the sake of organization and ease of access, please keep all rumors and discussion of the new flip-screen camera in this thread until they are announced.

What we know so far from the rumors and images are that it looks like the A200 body with some minor modifications to accommodate the swivel screen. The vertical grip is also identical in the images to the A200 grip which has a "3" in the model number.

I would guess that the specs are 90% similar to the A200 but some other MP figures have been thrown around on the Chinese/Taiwan forums which were the source of the initial images.



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Minolta Club Italy forum (this appears to be the original source of the new photos)

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Post Options Post Options   Quote ankit Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 January 2008 at 10:19
Google translate of one of the comments:

"Following the A200, is immediately behind the two fast AF-LiveVIEW truly useful and practical machine will be brought to the LV.

S-users no longer need not envy N, C-LV function with the user, and this two-machine LV function more practical to use, the rest of the C40D "
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ricardovaste Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 January 2008 at 12:46
Wow i got a bit excited then! But if you look at the top right, the button there, does not correspond with the button shown on the official release photos. Surely sony would have mentioned a slip screen also. Oh well.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote albnok Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 January 2008 at 03:58
That button up there's a Live View icon!

What official release photos? This must be a leak of something other than the A200.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ph0t0man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 January 2008 at 04:02
My guess is that the a300, which also uses the same grip as the a200, also has almost the same feature set, but instead of a pentamirror viewfinder and 2.7" LCD, it has a EVF and flip-out 2.7" LCD.
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Two more to go.
10MP live view with better AF than A200
14MP live view better than C40D
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Hoffy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 January 2008 at 04:18
Very interesting images in that thread. Yes, that is the flip screen, but is that from the camera in the first post (which I am assuming is what has been dubbed the A900).

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That image to me looks very legit. I would say it is indeed the A300 (most definitely not the A900).   Be curious to see if the camera has any OVF.

But for me, I just don't see the purpose of the flip out screen.   To me, those are a legacy concept from the days of LCDs that are hard to view at angles. You can view the A700 screen from all angles right up until your so off to the size their is no screen to see.   I don't see the tilting of the screen being of any help at this point, just added bulk and complexity.   But if that's what people think it needs, I guess that is what Sony is doing.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote albnok Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 January 2008 at 07:33
I don't know why they can't make a side flip ala Olympus E-3 and the Panasonic L10; it's obvious that side flipping is not legally proprietary.

Flip out screens would work for low grass macro and uh... upskirting, if this camera is the silent killer.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ADub128 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 January 2008 at 07:37
My Dimage A2 has a similar flip out screen that I use occasionally when shooting in close quarters -- waist level shooting. If my DSLR had live view, I'd want a flip screen for it. It would be good for overhead shots too if it flips down (the A2 only flips down slightly).

With a flip screen, you can keep the camera close to the body when taking pictures. This is in contrast to the typical P&S "hold the camera 2 feet (~0.67m) in front of your face" unergonomic strategy.

The Dimage A2 EVF flipped up too, giving you several viewing/composing options. I think the follow-up A200 got rid of this feature -- perhaps in a cost reduction move. I just checked DPReview and the Sony Cybershot DSC H9 has a flip screen too, so both KM and Sony have had experience with this.

Generally speaking though, I prefer an optical viewfinder.
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Originally posted by ADub128 ADub128 wrote:

I just checked DPReview and the Sony Cybershot DSC H9 has a flip screen too, so both KM and Sony have had experience with this.


That degree of movement would be fine for me. BTW, for anyone else it's shownhere

I wouldn't want it to replace the OVF, but I would find that useful for a lot of low-level macro flower shots I take. If it was a 920k display with 10x magnification on LV, that would really help with macro focusing.
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What if they bring an EVF of very high quality? As I understand it, the KM A2 had 930.000 pixels on theirs, and that was back in 2004... maybe Sony have developed a 2megapixel EVF, comparable in size with the A700 OVF, for example.

As for live-view, a flip-screen is the only version which I really find useful on a dSLR. It would have been nice if this new camera(or cameras?) had an ultra-thin OLED display like Sony's new TV, XEL-1 :)

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Post Options Post Options   Quote sparky81 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 January 2008 at 13:09
Are we going to be the first one (from Canon, Nikon, Sony) to have flip screen in (lets call it A300) dSLR?

If yes, that would make me very happy about it because I read a lot "A700 has no live View".... And if, it seems like il will, A300 have LV and flip screen, it will make it a lot more sensible that what Canon/Nikon did...

I really don't miss LV... And I think I'll never will. But for studio and macro shooters, who puts their cameras very low at tripods, LV is blessing but only if You can flip the screen up to see it without hurting back :)

And one more thing... I think that that way of fliping is just enough. No need to flip it side way. It would make it slower to open and close back... And easier to damage. No point to close it at all so... The way it is showed is the best solution for dSLR :D

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Originally posted by sparky81 sparky81 wrote:

Are we going to be the first one (from Canon, Nikon, Sony) to have flip screen in (lets call it A300) dSLR?

If yes, that would make me very happy about it because I read a lot "A700 has no live View".... And if, it seems like il will, A300 have LV and flip screen, it will make it a lot more sensible that what Canon/Nikon did...

I really don't miss LV... And I think I'll never will. But for studio and macro shooters, who puts their cameras very low at tripods, LV is blessing but only if You can flip the screen up to see it without hurting back :)

And one more thing... I think that that way of fliping is just enough. No need to flip it side way. It would make it slower to open and close back... And easier to damage. No point to close it at all so... The way it is showed is the best solution for dSLR :D

Sony... GREAT JOB!!!!!


Gotta admit I like the E-300 style flip-out LCD, makes a nice waistlevel finder for street shooting and low-angle work. I actually like the P&S style flip-out screen on the E-3 much less, it's better for odd angles, but not nearly as subtle for street shooting. I've long considered getting an E-300 and the Zuiko 11-22 for shooting street, but something similar in a mount I'd actually buy more than 1 lens for is even better.
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