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    Posted: 19 April 2008 at 17:50
Originally posted by Saratoga Saratoga wrote:

Have a google for (in quotes) "assault by photography"

One of the entries quote:

Assault by photography

Two Scottish photographers


Sounds like some unique clause in scottish law to me?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Saratoga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 April 2008 at 11:47
Originally posted by Bob J Bob J wrote:

Regardless of the merits of the stop and search provisions, in the sort-term at least the possibility of being stopped taking photos in the UK exists. In my case the key thing the police seemed interested in was my motivation for taking photos in the first place, with that in mind I'm thinking of printing myself out some cards that explain why I'm taking photos, along these lines...

Originally posted by Bob J's Business Cards Bob J's Business Cards wrote:

To whom it may concern

Dyxum.com is an on-line photography website and forum for users of Minolta, Konica Minolta and Sony interchangeable lens cameras. For the most part (although not exclusively) members are amateur photographers who are keen to display their work and advance their photographic skills; they post examples of their work on the website in order to take part in photo competitions and get feedback from other members.

In their search for suitable subjects they actively go out to take photographs that appear interesting, creative, distinctive or unusual.




That would be an interesting thing. At the moment Flickr let you make up sort of business cards as well but I've never got around to doing it...

As for the text, well, it's possible but care would need to be taken about how to lay it out. Perhaps in business card size but in a folded book style. That way the text wouldnt have to be too small
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Saratoga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 April 2008 at 11:44
Originally posted by artuk artuk wrote:

I have always failed to understand why anyone would think that a street / park scene that includes fully clothed minors could possibly be of interest to "paedophiles".


Because it's on the route to escalation. It starts off on small things and works up. It has been covered by research but so much is 'dumbed down' on TV that often the real meaning is lost and just confuses people. Same with the notion that they have the right to not allow you to take photos of them on public land.

As I have explained before, I don't see what the big problem is. Surely they're aware that everything they do is already photographed in public by CCTV anyway?

Sure I've had issues in the past, who hasn't! I'm usually in my car and if the Police want to check it I carry my driving licence anyway (need for for other security reasons too). Explaining what I'm shooting of and why ususally gets me left alone.

Although, talking of which, there is an Army base down near Ashchurch in Gloucestershire with a tank thingy as it's gate guard. To get a photo of that I'd probably pop over to the gatehouse to tell the men with guns what I'm doing. I'll probably be in a bakers fridge truck, just to confuse them
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Bob J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 April 2008 at 11:12
Regardless of the merits of the stop and search provisions, in the sort-term at least the possibility of being stopped taking photos in the UK exists. In my case the key thing the police seemed interested in was my motivation for taking photos in the first place, with that in mind I'm thinking of printing myself out some cards that explain why I'm taking photos, along these lines...

To whom it may concern

Dyxum.com is an on-line photography website and forum for users of Minolta, Konica Minolta and Sony interchangeable lens cameras. For the most part (although not exclusively) members are amateur photographers who are keen to display their work and advance their photographic skills; they post examples of their work on the website in order to take part in photo competitions and get feedback from other members.

In their search for suitable subjects they actively go out to take photographs that appear interesting, creative, distinctive or unusual.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dinostrich Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 April 2008 at 10:15
"Two Scottish photographers had had been charged with "assault by photography". The charges against Laurance Inglis of the Daily Record and Sunday Mail, and Angus Anderson, of the Dundee Courier, followed claims by a solicitor that he had been photographed against his wishes. The Law Society of Scotland described the charges as "unique"."

I bet he chases ambulances as well
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Saratoga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 April 2008 at 04:31
Have a google for (in quotes) "assault by photography"

One of the entries quote:

Assault by photography

Two Scottish photographers had had been charged with "assault by photography". The charges against Laurance Inglis of the Daily Record and Sunday Mail, and Angus Anderson, of the Dundee Courier, followed claims by a solicitor that he had been photographed against his wishes. The Law Society of Scotland described the charges as "unique".

And there is "Image, Persona & The Law" where it is mentioned too:

Image, Persona & The Law

Edited by Saratoga - 19 April 2008 at 04:32
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RosieA100 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 April 2008 at 02:28
Any Aussies having trouble can now contact Monash University in Melbourne via this email address publicphoto@artdes.monash.edu and site any problems they have had, please include
•    Your name
•    Your contact details (email and phone)
•    Your camera club affiliation
•    One scanned photo
•    Your story of photography restrictions (Max 1 page!)

- the title of their research is Defending Photographers’ Rights: Monash and ANU Researchers to Study Restrictions on Photography in Public, I hope this will do some good here
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Post Options Post Options   Quote artuk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 April 2008 at 02:10
I have always failed to understand why anyone would think that a street / park scene that includes fully clothed minors could possibly be of interest to "paedophiles".
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Post Options Post Options   Quote polossatik Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 April 2008 at 00:25
Originally posted by bharnois bharnois wrote:

.. Joe Nobody confronted me and tried to say I couldn't take shots as there were kids in the park. ...


It's indeed pretty scary how cramped people are reacting, had something similar that really raised my eyebrows...
Weekend gathering at a place here, all people who know each other.
Of course there where some kids around, they see a big camera, want to have pictures of them with there friends.
So far no fuss. I spend 15 minutes shooting the kids until they lose interest, so I know they won't be bugging me anymore :)
First thing that happens afterwards is a dad (who knows me for about 10 years or so..) coming to me and asking on a rather suspicious tone what I'm going to do with those pictures???????????

I really felt like answering something like "strip all there clothes in fotoshop off and sell them for big $$$".
(Seen he's a whimp with pc's he might actually believed it and provoke a riot so I did not tell him this)

really, what's all the bl**dy fuss about taking a few snapshots of kids for god's sake? Fortunately his girlfriend (who has way more braincapacity) also came and simply asked to send out the link to her when they where online :)

But I was really stunned by his suspicious reaction...
I think people like that should watch less crime series on TV and do something useful in their life for a change.

Originally posted by bharnois bharnois wrote:


How much to rent that sucker for a week?? I'm in the mood to cause trouble!!


Anything for a good riot, but I suspect the UPS charges will be hefty :)

Edited by polossatik - 19 April 2008 at 01:17
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Originally posted by polossatik polossatik wrote:

If someone wants to cause a stir , you can always borrow my 1000mm Russian tank.


I'm pretty sure Cyrillic on it will enhance the effect

It's all just so silly that if it was not that sad it would be funny.


How much to rent that sucker for a week?? I'm in the mood to cause trouble!!
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Originally posted by Dinostrich Dinostrich wrote:

Network Rail permits photography providing a few basic rules like "making yourself known to the Station Manager" etc. are observed.

See guidelines for railway enthusiasts - it's not clear if they apply to a non-enthusiast who simply wants to photograph the architecture
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Post Options Post Options   Quote bharnois Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2008 at 19:17
Originally posted by Dinostrich Dinostrich wrote:

"I'm just simply stating that I don't take that any more. I know it is worse in the UK and Australia but don't give up."

Bharnois - nowhere seems to be immune - go to - www.nycphotorights.com - and see what happens across the pond.


Oh, don't I know it. I've visited that site before. Everybody should see it.

What I didn't state this morning is that I just had an incident yesterday in a public park. Joe Nobody confronted me and tried to say I couldn't take shots as there were kids in the park. I told him if he didn't like it to call the police and I'd wait for them to arrive. I then told him that when the police arrived I was going to have HIM arrested for harrassing me and then handed him my last copy of the Photog's Bill of Rights. He didn't call the police and let me be.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dinostrich Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2008 at 18:31
Bonneville - with the modern "surveillance equipment" available you can be as secretive as you like - "there are many ways to skin a cat" ( nothing against our feline friends ).

Artuk - not totally true. Network Rail permits photography providing a few basic rules like "making yourself known to the Station Manager" etc. are observed. They in fact encourage enthusiasts and amusingly enough suggest that their stations make good locations for filming.

The Underground is pretty similar except that they ( understandably ) do not permit flash photography or tripods.

How the self-appointed guardians behave can of course be a different matter.

www.sirimo.co.uk/ukpr.php - might be worth reading as regards this subject.

Edited by Dinostrich - 18 April 2008 at 18:48
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