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    Posted: 04 April 2006 at 22:29
So I've figured out my lens plans for the summer...maybe for good. I've listed what I have gone through in the last 6 months:



Sigma 15/f2.8 FisheyeKeeper – This is my bright ultra-wide lens. It's sharp, fun, optional fisheye effect and nice colour and contrast. It's small and light and well built...Enough said!



24-85 f3.5-4.5 RSKeeper – This is a nice zoom. Just wide enough to be "wide" while still getting decent reach. Zoom bokeh leaves something to be desired if you're not careful. It's sharp at all apertures and focal lengths, so it's a good point-zoom-and-shoot lens. It was very cheap too! I'm keeping it as a backup/travel/loaner lens. Paired with the 100-200 they make a great travel zoom pair.



28/2.8 originalSold – A small, sharp lens with quick AF, but a little on the wide side for my style. Great deals are available on this one.



28/2 OriginalSold – I thought I was getting the RS version of this lens, but ended up with the original. It's sharp, well built, small, light and flare resistant...everything people say about this lens holds true. But again, it's a little too wide for my "normal" lens and the bokeh leaves something to be desired (and I love smooth bokeh).



35/1.4 - Keeper - Have to stay with this lens for this summer. Low light shooting is waaaaay too much fun, and I don't want to give up the bokeh.



50/1.4 Takumar - Keeper - My father used this on his ESII for 30 years. The photos from this lens and its reputation speak for itself...great bokeh, light gathering, build. Not my #1 length, but decent for portraits.



50/1.7 originalSold - No need for two 50mm lenses, nor the AF on this one. The takumar is brighter with nicer bokeh and I also have extension tubes for it.



100/2.8 Macro - Sold - Basically sold this one for the profit so I could keep my 35/1.4 and 135/2.8...which I then swapped for the 100/2. Would have liked to have kept it, but I don't do enough macro, and would prefer the extra stop of the 100/2.



100/2 - Keeper - Another low light lens, going for this instead of the 135/2.8 as it better suits my shooting style. Again, enough said about this lens...sharp wide open, nice bokeh (9 blade circular aperture), great colour etc etc...



135/2.8 - Sold - I found that when outside out with people I know (eg. hiking) I had to get way too far back for decent shots. If I were more into street shooting where distance is a plus, this lens would be the weapon of choice. It is a real marvel at what it does, I just can't use it as it is meant to be used. For my style, it’s too long for people and too short for wildlife.



100-200 f4.5 - Keeper (!) - Maybe I'm nuts, but I want a small, durable, cheap mid-tele zoom for my lineup. I sold my 70-210 f3.5-4.5, a decision which I might regret. But the 100-200 is compact, better built, sharp, in the range I need, and if I smash it on a rock I frankly don't give a rat’s bottom since it was only $50. And for the price, I don't mind if it sits on my shelf and never gets used either. And here is the best part...NO ZOOM CREEP!!! Mine is in Like New shape, maybe this has something to do with it...but I'm extatic!!! A pocket 300...look at the photos to compare it with the 100/2 and 135/2.8 for size. Nice. Haven't had a chance to use it much but I'm cautiously optimistic. Only down side is the close focus distance of 1.9m and thus low magnification...maybe some closeup lenses for this one?



70-210 f3.5-4.5 - Sold - Nice lens, compact, I wrote a full review. Suffers from zoom creep, but nice and sharp, good 1:4 magnification. I was considering picking this one up again, as I missed it a bit, but the 100-200 is way cheaper, smaller, no zoom creep and is said to do very well in sharpness, colour and contrast.



300/4 Takumar - Keeper - Great bokeh and colours, sharp, and has some reach with a decently bright f4. It's a good size (fatter than the beercan but no longer), good build and MF is fun. I simply can’t justify another tele or zoom when I have this one in the kit. Rock on!



So to recap:



AF Primes:

15/2.8

35/1.4

100/2



M42 primes:

50/1.4

300/4



Zooms:

24-85/3.5-4.5

100-200/4.5



From the lenses, two or three will be chosen for any given outing.



Example Kits

Full Kit: 15/35/100/300

3 Compact kit: 15/35/100-200

2 Compact   kit: 35/100-200

HQ, portrait & low light kit: 35/50/100

Walk-about kit: 15/35/100

Zoom Kit: 24-85/100-200



A somewhat outdated lineup (including the 135/2.8 for reference)

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Comparison of 100mm and up lenses

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After reading your post, I have to ask ... are you dcap's long lost brother ?

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Hmmm...my dad did grow up in London...
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I hope that you're not going to start a competition with DCap.
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I like some of your lenses, especially your 100/2 and the manual lenses.

Sometimes I have been close to buy a 70-210 f3.5-4.5. I would prefer it over the 100-200 that you have.

I see you dont have very new lenses, no (D) lenses, but you have a good line.

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Originally posted by gsaronni gsaronni wrote:


Sometimes I have been close to buy a 70-210 f3.5-4.5. I would prefer it over the 100-200 that you have.


Yah I enjoyed the 70-210 f3.5-4.5. I actually picked up the 100-200 from Cameta for $39, so I'm not expecting the world. It'll be fun to test it out...I'll post some samples. But with the 100/2 and the 300/4, it will probably stay mostly as a backup.

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I love threads like this! But it is normally me starting them!

Well done on the kit list. I know it can be fun. And tormenting chosing what to settle on.

Congrats on that 100/2 brother!

Yep 135, I always found it to be just a little too long. That's why I pulled back to the Tam SP 90/2.8 Di macro. Its a macro, and a shorter short tele.

I won't reply with a here is my line-up. I had it settled on what I needed: wide/fast/mac/tele ... but I've added a few extras. It is very nearly there now. Likewise, its 2-3 out at a time. And I still like going out with jsut one lens.
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My line up is now complete.
Sigma 18-50 2.8 (Landscapes / Architecture)
Minolta 50 1.7 (? Just found it. Don't know how old it is, but I guess it is for family gatherings)
Minolta 70-200 2.8 (Concerts/ Wildlife Up Close)
Minolta 100 2.8 Macro (Flowers- the wife grows roses)
Minolta 600 4 (Wildlife- only used it once so far but I am planning on a trip to the wildlife refuge within the next 2 weeks. Pictures to follow)
JST- a99, a77II, a900, a700, RX1, 14 mm 2.8 tamron, 85 mm 1.4 ZA, 100 2.8 Minolta Macro, 135 mm 1.8 ZA, 70-200 2.8 G SSM, Minolta 300 2.8 G, Teleconverter 2X Minolta, 150mm-600mm Tamron.
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I'm more of a zoom person, but I still go through agonies trying to decide what to take out on a given day. And usually end up carrying the lot! I have the 11-18, 17-35G, 28-75, 100macro and an old 100-300xi. Also have the 18-70kit which my wife uses on the 5D.

My dream lens is a G-quality 15-50 f/3.5 - although wider/longer/faster would be great. But this spec would effectively replace my three short zooms and cover 90% of all my photography (reportage for work and landscapes/architecture/"people shots" for fun).

I can't imagine getting rid of the macro, which is fantastic for indoor work such as talking heads at conferences, since it is very sharp wide open. In fact I bought it for that, and have since discovered how wonderful macro photography is!
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And here I was thinking that one wouldn't have the same kind of lineup trouble with zooms. Shows what I know!
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Originally posted by Mink Mink wrote:

My dream lens is a G-quality 15-50 f/3.5 - although wider/longer/faster would be great. But this spec would effectively replace my three short zooms and cover 90% of all my photography (reportage for work and landscapes/architecture/"people shots" for fun).


APS really screws up the wide end, between the clumsy coverage of existing lenses and the coverage of new lenses.

In film days, you'd typically have a max WA of 28-xxx or 20-xxx. Sure, there were wider zooms, but 19-35, 20-35, 20-40, 21-35, etc. were all pretty common. You could either pair that up with a 35-xxx or overlap with a 28-xxx ... or even omit the 35-50 and get a 50, then pick up again with a 70-xxx and not really miss the middle part.

Now, most midrange zooms start at 28; Canon has the wonderful 24-70, and Sigma makes one as well. The old ultrawides and even the new 17-35s don't really go that wide (25.5 on APS-C and 27mm on Canon) and overlap a lot, so you're paying a lot for a lens that offers you a little ... then the reduced coverage ultrawides go wider than most people need; wider than most ever wanted with film; and not long enough to leave off where a 28-xx picks up. It's not so bad if you have a 24-xx to pick up, but a 10-20 and a 28-75 leaves a gap between, effectively, 30 & 42mm. 10-20 ? A WA equivalent of 15mm ? I can see a few people wanting that, but I think most people who buy these lenses are buying them primarily to get down to 20-24mm equivalents.

I'd love to have :
14-24/3.5-4.5
24-105/2.8*
100-300/4
400/4.5
200/4 macro
The midrange is the really tough one ... that lens is probably near impossible. (Maybe reduced coverage ? Even the Sony R1 lens is slower). So a more practical kit might be:
14-28/3.5-4.5
28-75/2.8
100-300/4
400/4.5
200/4 macro

Where I give up a little coverage between 75 & 300. A 24-105/4 would be an alternative, and one I'd welcome for nature photography, but I'd keep the 28-75/2.8 for people photography. The 100-300/4 would be a new lens; though I could be happy with the Sigma (minus the 82mm filters). It's really just that ideal WA zoom that's missing !

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If I was a zoomy kind of guy:
- 17-35/2.8-4 (D)
- 24-105/3.5-4.5 (D)
- 100-300/4.5-5.6 APO (D)

If I was feeling rich: Tam 200-500 Di too

easy-peasy-lemon-squeezy

But then, back in the days of fil-um, I used to think a 24mm was wide enough for me, had a 21/4 in my Voigtlaänder Bessa days, too wide, didn't get on with it at all. Hence my widest dSLR lens is the (in transit) 17/3.5 (aka 26/3.5)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dCap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 April 2006 at 19:41
ps - am I allowed to post a this is my line-up post ... or will you all groan?! And go "not again!", "yeah, right, until next week"
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Post Options Post Options   Quote CTYankee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 April 2006 at 19:51
Go for it ... I think the rest of us all realize that your lineup is a living, breathing, growing, evolving thing and we're just waiting for you to realize it, too. A part of you wants the simplicity or completeness of a finalized lineup, but that part of you is routinely squashed by the other part of you that scours the web looking for info on m42 lenses and spouts obscene language when you realize that you got RS versions of the 28/2.

Go ahead. Post your lineup. We'll only groan/scoff if you try to claim that it has any permanence.

(Seriously, now you might as well post it, because you're getting grief anyway ;)

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