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Post Options Post Options   Quote wolfy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 January 2009 at 14:48
I have used the following MD/MC prime lenses (and still own them) and found them to be excellent glass, I have used them with film and transparency but not on digital;
MC 50f1.4 Very sharp, good bokeh, good colour
MD 50f1.2 Excellent general purpose lens, works briliantly in low light and nicer bokeh than the 50f1.4
MD 28f2.8 Very good wide angle lens, but if you can get the 24mm its much better
MC200f3.5 Reasonably sharp, great for the price I got it!

Lenses I have used;
MD24f2.8 Very sharp, excellent for landscapes.
MC58f1.2 Very smooth portrait lens, but not as sharp as the 50f1.4
MC85f1.7 If some one would sell me this lens now, I would buy it!!!
MD135f2 Another lens I couldnt afford in my younger days, but would buy in a heart beat!!!

My 2c worth, hope it helps.

Also I believe an adapter for MC/MD to A-mount will include a lens element, so this may degrade lens performance. Alternatively I have seen many convert the 58mmF1.2 to M42 and use a lensless adapter so as not to loose performance.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote ponisch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 January 2009 at 15:00
Brettania, yes ofcourse, but why do you have a M42-page on this site then?

Wolfy; There are actually a MC 85/1,7 PF(?) used in B+ condition at the secondhand shop that Im looking at now..
Price: 419.58 Australian Dollars (205.75 Euro)

And a MC 58/1,4 in A- condition...
Price: 233.1 Australian Dollars (114.31 Euro)
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I like the MC/MD lenses - I've an array of primes from 24mm (the VFC!) to 300mm, but I don't use them on the digital because the quality simply doesn't transfer.

My own favourite is the 135 F/2.8 which gives cracking perfomance on film in an MF body but doesn't quite work when used with an adapter. Even using Minolta's own 2x MD/AF adapter, which should be reasonably good glass, I don't get the results I hoped I would.

Each time you stick a piece of glass between the lens and the body you reduce the quality of the recorded image. If that piece of glass isn't great you'll be wasting your time. Even with an adapter that gives 1.2x magnification you'll only be using approximately half of the glass in the lens - so expect half the quality.

If you do want to try it, go for something like a 28 f/2.8 which can be had for around 20 or less or 50mm f/1.7 (around 15) on eBay. You should be able to pick up adapters for about 25.

Basically, I'd advise against buying MD lenses as cheap alternatives to expensive AF glass. You will probably be disappointed with the results.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ponisch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 January 2009 at 17:00
Okey, thanks for the advices all, Ill reconsider buying AF lenses instead

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Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 January 2009 at 17:21
I find it extremely odd that dyxum has no sticky forum topic where all of the relevant questions and answers regarding SR mount (that is the correct designation for the Minolta "MC/MD" mount) lenses can be easily referenced. At least once a week someone posts these exact same questions about converters, adapters, price, and performance.

Contrary to brettania's comments above, several of us here do know the pros and cons of using those lenses with digital cameras. The Rokkor Files site, nice though it is, is not at all oriented toward that. It's a historical archive with emphasis on the film gear alone. It doesn't cover the use of old lenses with new cameras because the site owner does not own or use Minolta/Sony DSLRs. In fact, he has now sold the bulk of his Minolta manual focus gear as well.

Visitors to dyxum should have this information right here rather than being referred to other places where it isn't explained anyway. I've brought this subject up before, but the administrators keep resisting the suggstion.
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Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

I find it extremely odd that dyxum has no sticky forum topic where all of the relevant questions and answers regarding SR mount (that is the correct designation for the Minolta "MC/MD" mount) lenses can be easily referenced. At least once a week someone posts these exact same questions about converters, adapters, price, and performance.

Contrary to brettania's comments above, several of us here do know the pros and cons of using those lenses with digital cameras. The Rokkor Files site, nice though it is, is not at all oriented toward that. It's a historical archive with emphasis on the film gear alone. It doesn't cover the use of old lenses with new cameras because the site owner does not own or use Minolta/Sony DSLRs. In fact, he has now sold the bulk of his Minolta manual focus gear as well.

Visitors to dyxum should have this information right here rather than being referred to other places where it isn't explained anyway. I've brought this subject up before, but the administrators keep resisting the suggstion.


I think you make a good point Ray. We have various "sticky" threads in the knowledge base, threads on teleconverters, on which second hand lenses to buy... it would surely be of some clear use to make a topic on the use of sr-mount lenses on a-mount cameras sticky. Like you say, there are plenty of knowledgable, willing members who would be greatful to share their experiences.

The problem is, when similar questions are asked so frequently, members are less likely to regurgitate words they posted the week before over time, and so inevitably some people are left in the dark in some areas.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote brettania Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 January 2009 at 12:44
I take it we have two volunteers to start doing something in a thread that has that has now been set up in our Knowledge Base. See.





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Post Options Post Options   Quote alpha_in_exile Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 January 2009 at 15:28
Originally posted by ponisch ponisch wrote:

...yes ofcourse, but why do you have a M42-page on this site then?

Just to clarify on this point -- the adaptors for M42 lenses to MAF/Sony do not need a glass teleconverter. That is why M42 is a popular alternative for manual lenses on Minolta/Sony dSLRs.

Problem is (IIRC), M42 lenses can also be adapted to Canon & Nikon, so you find yourself competing with CaNikon users for M42 glass.

Olympus makes the only dSLR that can mount SR lenses without a teleconverting adapter. See RokkorFiles page. Even then, it seems, some modifications have to be made.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote wedlpine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 January 2009 at 16:34
Originally posted by ponisch ponisch wrote:

I know pretty much everythng in AF-way but I dont know what PF, W, and MC/MD stands for, can anyone help me?


I hope this helps.

28mm f/2.8 MD W.Rokkor-X - The "W" refers to a wide angle lens.

58mm f/1.2 MC Rokkor-PG - The PG refers to the lens construction. If you use the following chart you see that it is constructed with 7 elements in 5 groups.

First Letter (no. of groups): T=3; Q=4; P=5; H=6; S=7; O=8; N=9.
Second Letter (no. of elements): C=3; D=4; E=5; F=6; G=7; H=8; I=9; J=10; K=11; L=12.

The following was copied from Wikipedia:

MC - The introduction of the SR-T 101 in 1966 featured a meter coupling between pre-set aperture on lens and camera body. The camera had two CdS cells in the prism and metered the exposure through the lens (TTL). The later X-1 and XE models added an aperture-priority automatic exposure mode.

MD - In 1977, the XD series introduced an additional tab on the lens which reported the smallest available aperture (f/16, f/22, or f/32 only) of an MD lens to a corresponding tab/switch on the camera body used by the camera electronics for an automatic calculation of appropriate automatic diaphragm selection during exposure. That enabled the S (shutter priority automatic exposure) mode on XD models and the P (programmed automatic exposure) mode on the X-700. The MD lenses can be used in shutter priority mode with Minolta XD-7, Minolta XD-5, and Minolta X-700.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote outback88 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 January 2009 at 08:57
l didn't know where else to ask this question, but here goes, l brought some Konica AR mount lenses, 40mm F1.8, 50mm F1.7, 135mm F2.5 & an original 2x hexanon TC, all of them in EX+ cond for a toal of AU$30 can they be converted to be used on my A100 or A700, or can they only be used on the olympus?
Any help would be appreciated, they are beautiful looking lenses, and the glass is so clean, it seems a waste that they can't be used.
l understand that the forum is only for A-mount lenses but l didn't know were else to ask.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Bob J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 January 2009 at 10:22
@outback: Afraid they can only be used on Konica Autoreflexes and the cameras that followed on from them (FS-1, FC-1, FT-1, FP...) and the 4/3rds mount (some minor modifications needed). I have a stack of them myself, including the 40/f1.8 and a very nice 200/f3.5 - but they only get used on my Konica film bodies.

This is because Konica made their film to bayonet-flange distance just about the smallest for a full-frame SLR - in fact the mirror on the autoreflexes swung back and up to be more compact. This had the advantage of the bodies being quite shallow and meant you could use other manufacturers lenses via adapters (common ones were Nikon and m42).

If you want to use them, you should be able to find an old TC body (or maybe a T4 or the lovely, but very heavy T3) for a reasonable price.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote outback88 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 January 2009 at 04:39
Thanks Bob, l found the link below, its funny the bloke that sold the lenses had the E-510 but 99% of his shots are macro, he also had some old Voiglander cameras & lens, but l knew zip about those and the lenses were tiny.

http://ca.geocities.com/rohonczy/KonicaToFourthirds.html

Perhaps l will buy a 2nd hand oylmpus and have a play, or get the T3.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Otakar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 March 2010 at 11:56
Hi, my colleague in our photoclub gave me the zoom lens BEROFLEX 70-210/ 4,5. It is completly manual with bayonet M/MD.

Do you thing it make sence to connect this lence through the adapter to my A700?
In such case how this lence works with MD/MC -> Sony Alpha adapter? I heared there is optical part that make the final results much worse.
What could be a price of the adapter? I found out somewhere 57 - 65 USD but it seams to me pretty much.

Thaks for your reply.
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