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Originally posted by matthiaspaul matthiaspaul wrote:

So, it seems, RRS has the job to really do their stuff right in the first place... Did you hear back from them already?

I decided it was best to send an email with pictures illustrating the problem, but I returned from a trip a bit later than planned (I was at a seminar with Joe McNally) and won't have a chance to setup and take the shots until this weekend.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote HaH. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 January 2009 at 07:17
Originally posted by matthiaspaul matthiaspaul wrote:

EDIT: The Konica Minolta 7D, 5D / Sweet D, Sony DSLR-A100, DSLR-A200, DSLR-A300, DSLR-A350, DSLR-A700 and DSRL-A900 all seem to use the same proprietary combo connector. So, actually, it is Konica Minolta who is to blame for introducing non-standard connectors. However, the micro USB standard did not exist in 2004 when the 7D was introduced, but Sony should have adopted the standard, when it became available, at least they should in the future.


Hmmm.

I have Fuji F-31fd and KM 7D and 5D. The USB-wires are the same in all of these. (I never look pics in TV, though, just transfer them into my laptop.) For 6 months, I have used Fuji's cable for all of these, since the KM wires got lost in my gadget collection somewhere. I also use the same wire to connect a few Nokia phones of some relatives to my laptop. I do not see any non-standard issues here.

So I would say that the KM camera's connector simply allows the usb->tv+audio wire in addition to the standard usb->usb wire. The video-pins do not de-standardize the connector, but simply give an added bonus option.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote travelshots Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 January 2009 at 19:51
I also use the same cable for Fuji F30 an A700.
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I used black "coat" thread, typically used to sew buttons, the tip of a zip tie, and a short piece of braided nylon cord. I made a single pass through the remote door flap, and leaving adequate thread, cut the needle off.

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Originally posted by RobArtLyn RobArtLyn wrote:

It came in the box when they returned my camera today. I am seriously disappointed with one aspect of the design. I specifically loaned both my remote shutter release and the USB cable that came with the A900 to RRS so they could accommodate both connections in their design so that people who shoot tethered, as I do sometimes, could use the camera mounted vertically. They left a notch in the plate to allow sufficient clearance for the door over the USB & HDMI ports to be opened & closed with the plate mounted, but the strain relief portion of the USB cable extends too far and does not clear the plate. It is impossible to mount the camera vertically* on the ballhead clamp with the USB cable attached. I find this particularly frustrating because this was one of the primary reasons why I went to the trouble of loaning my camera to them. The A700 plate has the same deficiency, which I complained about at the time, because the person who loaned them their A700 didn't include the USB cable so that they could design the plate to accommodate it.

Further, some people in the studios or in sciences would want to use the L-plate in conjunction with the external DC power supply for the Sony Alpha DSLR-A900.

Web photos and product drawings showing the Sony AC Adaptor/Charger AC-VQ900AM indicate a rather massive plug (a proprietary 3-pin plug), apparently angled towards the front of the DSLR-A900:

http://www.nodevice.com/user_manual/sony/cameras2/ac-vq900am.html

I think RRS should take this into account as well when designing their L-plate...

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FWIW, I bought a 'Nav kit' for my Garmin Oregon handheld GPS unit that has an angled mini-USB port on the charge cord.

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Originally posted by matthiaspaul matthiaspaul wrote:

I think RRS should take this into account as well when designing their L-plate...

Greetings,

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Matthias, I agree that RRS has to take a bunch of things into account during the design of their L-plate but unfortunately, the product is already designed and is on sale.

Kirk, the other maker of L-plates, has not even bothered to make one for Sony/A900. RRS was persuaded to make one, only after a lot of folks on this forum and elsewhere, tried to show them that there is a market for the product. They have not designed one for the camera/grip combo - since in their opinion, they don't see a market for it.

Bottomline, if this does not sell well enough, they, will not bother with a Sony product again, and will simply follow Kirk's lead. Your excellent suggestions notwithstanding.
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Originally posted by stiuskr stiuskr wrote:

FWIW, I bought a 'Nav kit' for my Garmin Oregon handheld GPS unit that has an angled mini-USB port on the charge cord.

My car GPS unit has the exact same connector on its power cord. It is the wrong type of USB connector to fit a Minolta/Sony camera. To add to the annoyance factor, the connector that is too big for the A700 & A900 fits my tiny G9, because it is standard.
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Originally posted by roweraay roweraay wrote:


Matthias, I agree that RRS has to take a bunch of things into account during the design of their L-plate but unfortunately, the product is already designed and is on sale.

Maybe, I'm not up-to-date, but I was living under the impression, that so far only a few samples have been sent out for field evaluation, and that they are taking pre-orders for a batch of L-brackets still to be produced...

Bottomline, if this does not sell well enough, they, will not bother with a Sony product again, and will simply follow Kirk's lead. Your excellent suggestions notwithstanding.

Hm, yes. ;-) However, the question remains as to why they might not sell the current design in high numbers. Is it because there is no market for it, or is it because people expect a real solution to their problems, not yet another compromise. If the current design is what they have on offer already, I think, they should take (potential) customer comments into consideration and quickly design an improved version 2 of the bracket.

Personally, I would love to buy such a L-plate, but I hesitate to do so because of the current flaws in the design. I'm sure, they can do better! :-)

Greetings,

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Originally posted by matthiaspaul matthiaspaul wrote:

Hm, yes. ;-) However, the question remains as to why they might not sell the current design in high numbers. Is it because there is no market for it, or is it because people expect a real solution to their problems, not yet another compromise.


Yes, and the answer to why they don't expect to sell the L-plate for the Sony mount in any significant numbers, is based on their prior experience with the A100 (Kirk also made an L-plate for Sony then). Basically, A-mount users' usage of exotic equipment like Arca-Swiss compatible L-plates and such, along with high end Arca-Swiss compatible ball-heads and high-end Gitzo type tripods, are next to nil.

If you happen to ask *most* A-mount users, on what an "Industry Standard" Arca-Swiss type ballhead is, they would shake their head in puzzlement. If you ask the same question to a Nikon D2X or D3X user, they probably have been using such equipment for a decade or more. Same with a Canon 1D type user. I have been using L-plates in the past, since I am a former Canon user.

Therein lies your answer on why RRS does not see a market for an L-plate for the Sony mount cameras.

However, I need to mention that the A900 is a whole different beast from any other Sony/Minolta Digital camera that had come before it. The A900 is the first such non-Nikon/Canon product, that a lot of high-end users, including from the Canon/Nikon fold, have been seriously giving consideration to.

Thus once such users come into the Sony fold as users, there is every possibility that the L-plate will sell in larger numbers and thus RRS will also seriously look at attracting Sony customers with a more dedicated effort in their L-plate design.

A chicken and egg scenario.
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Originally posted by matthiaspaul matthiaspaul wrote:

Personally, I would love to buy such a L-plate, but I hesitate to do so because of the current flaws in the design. I'm sure, they can do better! :-)


Agreed. But if you want to shoot with an L-plate, in both portrait and Landscape orientation, do you have an alternative to the "flawed" RRS design ? If such a product exists, I would like to know about it.

Until I know about the existence of such a non-flawed L-plate design, I might have to swallow this bitter pill and go with what is available. My A900 is making-do currently, with my A700's L-plate, even though it is not a perfect fit for the A900's body (A900's sides are more rounded, while the A700's sides are flatter).

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Erol Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 February 2009 at 03:39
What GrahamB3 did on the a700 is a clever idea. The problem is, unless you pull the "L" bracket out away from the camera, you still won't be able to slide the bracket into the receiver, as the rubber door sticks out beyond the bracket when you put a cable release in. You can put it in an Arca type receiver by opening it up all the way and placing the bracket in. However you will bend the door to the cable release when you tighten the receiver.

I realize it is rubber, but I wonder how much strain it will take before it breaks.

Anyone else know of just a plain quick release bracket with some kind of an anti-twist feature for the a700.
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Today I received the RRS L-plate for my A900, my fifth bracket from them during the last few years, and for my use the design is wonderful: a tight fit to the body resting firmly against part of the left side, beefy construction especially in the critical curve, and easy access to the remote door. Now my A900 is complete
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