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Photosopher ![]() Senior Member ![]() Knowledgebase Contributor Joined: 13 June 2010 Country: United States Location: St. Louis Mo Status: Offline Posts: 4190 |
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Sure I understand, and don't want to downplay the technique, as it certainly is a viable one.
My experience has shown the PP background blur works well for shots that don't show the ground. But getting the transitional defocus necessary for shots showing the feet is much more challenging. |
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dekie ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 17 July 2006 Country: Belgium Location: Belgium Status: Offline Posts: 394 |
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This was a quick example, and somewhat overdone with the blurring, only to illustrate the possibility. Starting from a picture with more dof and applied slightly used, the pp is barely or not visible. Both techniques are not the same as the result of a real STF picture. Changing the aperture often changes the focal length of the lens. And shooting a series of pictures to stack is only possible with static subjects. And blur is by definition the absence of texture. Edited by dekie - 27 May 2011 at 13:47 |
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Photosopher ![]() Senior Member ![]() Knowledgebase Contributor Joined: 13 June 2010 Country: United States Location: St. Louis Mo Status: Offline Posts: 4190 |
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While I get your point, and appreciate the example, I must respectfully disagree with your assessment for all situations. Without addressing the oddness in the hand/mouth area of your sample, what works adequately enough for quick web shots does not always translate properly for large art or portfolio images worthy of lengthy closeup inspection. As with any Photo Shop blurring technique, the texture of the blurred area is nearly impossible to match to the texture of the non blurred area. Although this is not apparent in web shots, I find it is apparent in print work both published and private. And I certainly don't want to start filtering any more than I have to just to match granularity and noise between foreground and background. That makes it difficult to keep an entire series consistent. My goal is to always shoot it the best possible, and then use PP only when necessary, if at all. |
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dekie ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 17 July 2006 Country: Belgium Location: Belgium Status: Offline Posts: 394 |
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Much less time than shooting and stacking 6 pictures. And with the refine edge tool in CS5 it is quite easy to create a mask in a more complex picture. The sample used here is an easy one. Gr. |
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PieterB ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 30 May 2007 Country: Netherlands Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Posts: 1360 |
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How much time did this cost you?
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dekie ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 17 July 2006 Country: Belgium Location: Belgium Status: Offline Posts: 394 |
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Example of lens blur applied on a Sony R1 image
original ![]() after lens blur in PS, and lightening the background ![]() Edited by dekie - 26 May 2011 at 00:21 |
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dekie ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 17 July 2006 Country: Belgium Location: Belgium Status: Offline Posts: 394 |
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Lens Blur in PS gives a blur that looks more like a lens blur. You can simulate the number of diafragm blades, rounded diafragm blades and specular highlights. With a good masking technique you can create STF-like images in pp. Gr. |
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photoman ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 17 August 2009 Country: United States Location: Ohio Status: Offline Posts: 373 |
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I just got a Minolta 85mm f1.4 and was wanting to try this technique out on this lens. Here are the results. I experimented with different f-stop ranges and with using different numbers of photos in the composite. I believe that using at least 7 images while varying the aperture at 1/3 stop increments gives the best results (this is the 7 image f1.4-2.8 case).
here is the original at f1.4 ![]() and here are comparison of the different setups I tried. Using only 3 or 4 images in the STF composite, it is pretty easy to see the overlapping image circles in the out of focus areas. Its hard to see this in the small image (darn you flickr). So here is a download for the original. Unfortunately it wont be permanently available. The image is full resolution from my a700. ![]()
Since you've got the STF lens and done several of the photoshop STF images, could you show us any examples of this?
What did you do to the masked layer? Did you apply a gaussian blur or lens blur filter in photoshop? Edited by photoman - 18 May 2011 at 22:18 |
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dekie ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 17 July 2006 Country: Belgium Location: Belgium Status: Offline Posts: 394 |
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Recreated the effect in Photoshop with two layers and a layer mask on the
f1.7 version of your picture. Lens blur on the upper layer. This method is usable on handheld pictures with moving objects. ![]() Gr. |
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tleeds ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 15 November 2008 Location: Canada Status: Offline Posts: 10 |
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Old topic, but I figured I'd interject.
I've used the STF and done a couple of these photoshop versions. The point everyone seems to be missing is that the STF lens great bokeh is just a side effect. The real star (and the reason the lens is so nice) is the STF part. Smooth Trans Focus <- They're referring to the transition from in-focus to out-of-focus. On most lenses, that transition is abrupt and well defined. The STF magically gets progressively sharper as you approach the focal plane and progressively blurrier as you leave it. This is why images taken with the STF seem to *jump*. Focus on the STF is a gradient instead of being a hard cutoff. Some of the photoshop renders here exhibit that awesome STF transition, but others look like regular photos with slightly better bokeh. The STF is always a strange beast to use. It works better for some shots than others. (A portrait with a far-off background is not a good use of the lens or technique)... but a portrait taken at an oblique angle with your subject close to the background is a wonderful use of the lens. |
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Gabriel ![]() Senior Member ![]() Emeritus Member Joined: 05 December 2006 Location: France Status: Offline Posts: 1931 |
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![]() Bokeh is smoother in the STF version(and we lost the hexagonal aperture shape). To my own taste, it is better. Edited by Gabriel - 20 November 2009 at 17:07 |
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kefkafloyd ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 04 July 2006 Country: United States Location: Massachusetts Status: Offline Posts: 2455 |
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I'm guessing because there's less outlining going on in the upper left.
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6tyNine ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 04 April 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Posts: 1580 |
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um... how? |
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Joe Appleby ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 09 October 2008 Country: United Kingdom Location: Jena Status: Offline Posts: 30 |
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I guess I will give this a try this weekend. Maybe with the Zeiss 135 3.5 M42. Although I have to check whether the aperture still closes correctly.
A friend of mine, Nikon user, will try this probably tonight on his new 14-24 2.8. |
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