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    Posted: 23 April 2010 at 23:54
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Yep, from dpreview -

Name                              Zoom           Focal Length

Pancake Lens (Jan 2010)      30mm           F2
Standard Zoom Lens (Jan 2010)      18-55mm      F3.5-5.6 OIS
Tele Zoom Lens (Jan 2010)      50-200mm     F4-5.6 OIS
Standard Zoom Lens (H1 2010)      18-55mm      F3.5-5.6, Non OIS
Compact Zoom Lens (H2 2010)      20-50mm      F3.5-5.6
Wide Pancake Lens (H2 2010)      20mm           F2.8
Super Zoom Lens (TBD)              18-200mm     F3.5-6.3 OIS
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Post Options Post Options   Quote CTYankee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 April 2010 at 20:55
Originally posted by hoge-fan hoge-fan wrote:


2011:
-90mm f/1.8 Tele-Xenar
-70mm f/2.8 Claron (Macro)


Didn't Samsung already announce intention to release a 60/2.8 macro ?
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Originally posted by hoge-fan hoge-fan wrote:

I just read from the gossip site that Samsung with Schneider have following roadmap for NX system:

2010:
-15mm f/2.3 Super-Angulon
-21mm f/2 Super-Angulon
-35mm f/1.4 Xenon
-55mm f/1.4 Xenon

2011:
-90mm f/1.8 Tele-Xenar
-70mm f/2.8 Claron (Macro)

Now THAT's an EVIL system! If it turns out to be true, it is likely Samsung will win pro's attention and reputation for being the pro mirrorless system!


If that rumor is true, than I'm certainly going to think hard about going with Samsung for EVIL. Their NX10 is ALMOST there for me. Stabilization is the missing element (and a better VF.) Allegedly, they have a GF1 - type camera coming, so we'll see...

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Post Options Post Options   Quote hoge-fan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 April 2010 at 15:59
Originally posted by nitrosyl nitrosyl wrote:

But gossip is just what it is: GOSSIP.
Hey at least the guy said this one's source pretty reliable... we dont say that if gustav tell us some gossip right

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But gossip is just what it is: GOSSIP.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote hoge-fan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 April 2010 at 11:23
I just read from the gossip site that Samsung with Schneider have following roadmap for NX system:

2010:
-15mm f/2.3 Super-Angulon
-21mm f/2 Super-Angulon
-35mm f/1.4 Xenon
-55mm f/1.4 Xenon

2011:
-90mm f/1.8 Tele-Xenar
-70mm f/2.8 Claron (Macro)

Now THAT's an EVIL system! If it turns out to be true, it is likely Samsung will win pro's attention and reputation for being the pro mirrorless system!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote albnok Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 April 2010 at 09:20
I wonder if the 'other' lenses Sony says they planned to launch in 2010, are all these NEX mount lenses. So that's 3 NEX and 2 A-mount.

I still think the 16mm is picked to show off their Sweep Panorama feature, to debut in an interchangeable lens camera (be it EVIL or dSLR). 35mm might not look too impressive with it, or might be computationally difficult.

And isn't 16mm on APS-C the photojournalist's dream? Though I doubt you'll see this camera in war...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote PhotoTraveler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 April 2010 at 05:53
To be perfectly honest, I don't think many digicam users know what faster or shallow DOF means. So I doubt they are looking for it. But they do know when they are inside, or in a car, etc that they often can't zoom out wide enough.

On the 1.7/20.   Well, it's one of only 2 pancake lenses they have right now (the 2.8/17 being the other). So it's the best they can do. People like it because it's a tiny prime lens. It's not the specific specs. I don't know how much interest there is in the 17. But I suspect it's because it's not fast, and it's not wide. So not that interesting. a 2.8/35 isn't interesting unless it's a macro. But further, there is the 12mm on the roadmap. Folks are excited about it, and of course that works out to 24mm.   So it becomes interesting.

There will always be more lenses, but you have to start with something. But for sure, the matter that you can always crop to get you that bit longer focal makes a wider lens a much better choice if you can only manage a couple (2-3 lenses) at launch.

Originally posted by CTYankee CTYankee wrote:

PT, not to overstate the obvious, but the P&S problem is a problem because they're fixed lens cameras :) Of course, that suggests you have to have a WA. But that could be added later after a normal pancake, either as another pancake lens or as an ultrawide zoom. It would be wonderful to have an EVIL system with 3 pancakes: WA, normal & short tele. I won't hold my breath though. Panasonic & Oly seem content to round out the lineup with oversized lenses and Samsung is doing the same thing as Panasonic (making the portrait length lens an f/2.8 macro). And Sony is going to cater to amateurs, not enthusiasts.

You suggest that digicam users want something wider. I counter that digicam users want something faster that offers shallow DOF.

It may sway some buyers. I'm betting some EVIL shoppers who've been waiting for Sony specs will opt for m43 instead, though.

Where I have trouble is getting into the mindset of the consumer, because clearly that's where these products are aimed. Opinions will vary among enthusiasts; some would prefer 28, 35, 40, 43, 45, 50, 58 ! I hear plenty of people say the 20/1.7 is their reason for getting into micro 4/3 (and many buy that lens and put it on an Oly for IBIS). But will the consumer be more impressed with the WA ? I don't know.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote douglasf13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 April 2010 at 05:24
Don't get me wrong, I certainly want a wide prime for my forray into EVIL. My ideal setup would be approximately a 24, 50 and 85 prime (equivalent.) However, I would use the 50mm 80%+ of the time, so I need to see that lens before I buy. Right now, the Panny 20 1.7 on an Olympus m4/3 is my best option, it appears.
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Everybody has a different standard for "normal" - which makes it a high probability that there will be several lenses at launch. I like the idea of a 16mm pancake lens, but a faster 30mm or so lens would also be great to have. I'd really like a fast 70mm or so lens, but we have to remember where the products are being pitched at initially.
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PT, not to overstate the obvious, but the P&S problem is a problem because they're fixed lens cameras :) Of course, that suggests you have to have a WA. But that could be added later after a normal pancake, either as another pancake lens or as an ultrawide zoom. It would be wonderful to have an EVIL system with 3 pancakes: WA, normal & short tele. I won't hold my breath though. Panasonic & Oly seem content to round out the lineup with oversized lenses and Samsung is doing the same thing as Panasonic (making the portrait length lens an f/2.8 macro). And Sony is going to cater to amateurs, not enthusiasts.

You suggest that digicam users want something wider. I counter that digicam users want something faster that offers shallow DOF.

It may sway some buyers. I'm betting some EVIL shoppers who've been waiting for Sony specs will opt for m43 instead, though.

Where I have trouble is getting into the mindset of the consumer, because clearly that's where these products are aimed. Opinions will vary among enthusiasts; some would prefer 28, 35, 40, 43, 45, 50, 58 ! I hear plenty of people say the 20/1.7 is their reason for getting into micro 4/3 (and many buy that lens and put it on an Oly for IBIS). But will the consumer be more impressed with the WA ? I don't know.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote albnok Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 April 2010 at 04:15
I say they pitched the 16mm F2.8 first, as the best lens to use Sweep Panorama with. (Worse is if they decide it's the only lens that is compatible with Sweep Panorama.)

My Sony Cybershot WX1, with Sweep Panorama, can only do it when zoomed out to 24mm equivalent.

And yes, I've always loved 24mm or equivalent - not 28mm, not 35mm. Give me 24mm and 50mm pancakes!

For all we know, that rumored 85mm F2.8 DT is actually a pancake for the EVIL Sony. Or a little bit off the pancake size, like the Pentax Limited series - the 77mm F1.8 and 70mm F2.4 are prime examples - refer here:

http://pentaxlife.com/comparing-lenses

That makes me wonder - when is Pentax going to make an EVIL? It's too bad they aren't in ties with Samsung anymore (or so we think) or else their system would have the most pancakes!
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