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sybersitizen
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Posted: 18 April 2013 at 19:59 |
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Okay then... so when you said 'I guess this also explains how my A55 has ~25k total shutter actuations and about 17k images taken' do we assume that means you have taken a LOT of multi-exposure shots? (A LOT in this case just means more percentage-wise than I have. My A55's internal counter reads 28,000+ actuations... that's only a few thousand different from my personal image count, which I have maintained pretty accurately.) Another minor question: Do custom WB actuations get recorded as actuations in the camera? |
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fireisland
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Posted: 18 April 2013 at 19:52 |
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Worked for my a900! (I hope :) ) I bought my camera used a year ago and the seller said that the max. shutter count would be less than 7000. The shutter count according to the "tool" was 17244 and it checks out with my shots + the ~7000!
Phew, I was a bit worried it might be something like 50k :) Thanks user Guy! |
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Guy
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Posted: 18 April 2013 at 19:40 |
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@sybersitizen:
You have misunderstood me a bit ![]() I will give an example with the panorama mode (but it works the same with other multiple exposure modes). The camera only needs an extra shutter movement at the start of the panoramic burst and at the end. During the burst it only makes regular shutter cycles since live view is not needed (it would even be impractical). So the actual shutter actuation number would only be exactly 2 times the amount of pictures made if you were to only take regular pictures. Any multiexposure modes reduce this ratio. Basically I called the counter incorrectly in my tool. It should be called number of exposures, not images The shutter actuation counter is however correct.I hope I have cleared the mess up a bit. Regards, Borut |
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sybersitizen
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Posted: 18 April 2013 at 19:12 |
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That is correct.
With the A55, 'total shutter actuations' would need to be at least twice the number of images taken (and probably more because of multi-shot modes), unless I've misunderstood you. |
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clockwork247
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Posted: 18 April 2013 at 19:06 |
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just to report
the tools work with my A37 and A330, test it out and the shutter count seems pretty accurate. |
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Guy
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Posted: 18 April 2013 at 18:49 |
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@analytical
I think you are a bit mistaken about how the shutter functions in an SLT. I don't want to be disrespectful, but just to clear it up a bit, I'll write what I think is happening and what sounds logical to me: Regular SLR cycle 1 -> shutter closed 2 -> shutter opens 3 -> image acquisition 4 -> shutters closes (to end the exposure) SLT without EFC 1 -> shutter opened 2 -> shutter closes (to ensure a starting "black frame") 3 -> shutter opens 4 -> image acquisition 5 -> shutter closes (to end the exposure) 6 -> shutter opens 7 -> live view SLT with EFC 1 -> shutter opened 2 -> image acquisition (when triggered) 3 -> shutter closes (to end the exposure) 4 -> shutter opens 5 -> live view Also, this double shutter action is clearly heard on the manual focus live view models (I personally have the A500). I guess this also explains how my A55 has ~25k total shutter actuations and about 17k images taken
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analytical
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Posted: 18 April 2013 at 17:53 |
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With EFC=off the steps of the SLT shutter sequence are exactly the same as in SLRs like A900, A700. The only difference is the parking spot. An SLR moves the first curtain back to closed at the end of the shutter cycle, while the the SLT waits until the start of the next shutter cycle to close it. So EFC=off matches the traditional definition of one shutter count. EFC=on only cycles the second curtain, while the first curtain remains parked at open. Sort of a half cycle. In any case if there are two counts, then the definition in mechanical terms would again be first curtain cycles versus second curtain cycles. But in this case there are fewer first curtain cycles compared to a traditional SLR rather than more. The first curtain count will be the lower number. Separately, the A900 has an intelligent preview feature that does a full shutter cycle, then displays the image on the LCD, where you can preview adjustments with camera controls. But it does not record an image to card or increment the image file name. You can do this many times before taking a regular image. I wonder whether live preview increments the metadata shutter count. ( I don't use this feature). |
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boardhead
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Posted: 18 April 2013 at 16:25 |
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Hi Borut,
Thanks! I'm working on adding this now, and I'll report back when I'm done testing. One thing I have noticed though... it seems the counts in MoreInfo0201 are 3 bytes, not 4. I have some samples with a non-zero high-order byte. 3 bytes gives 16 million, so I expect that no real counts would be above this. - Phil Edit: I checked out your web page and expanded your links as you said. I see you're only using 3 bytes anyway, which agrees with my observations. Edited by boardhead - 18 April 2013 at 18:10 |
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Guy
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Posted: 18 April 2013 at 14:18 |
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Well, I am unable to locate the counter in those files. I have a small helper program that quickly searches for increasing sequences in the makernotes, however I have been unsuccessful so far. It is entirely possible that minolta did not plan for this to be included in the files and that SONY simply didn't include it until the A900 (which is the first model to sport this counter - in a field called FocusInfo )Another possibility is that it is there, but encrypted. Since I sadly lack the time to even keep up with work I am unable to try to de-crypt this.
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harveyzone
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Posted: 18 April 2013 at 14:03 |
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Is the reason that the A100, A200, A300, A350 and A700 (and, indeed, 5D and 7D) are not supported because the count is stored there, or is there another reason?
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ricardovaste
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Posted: 18 April 2013 at 13:46 |
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Sounds like you need a new shutter :-). Joking of course, I'll be interested to see how long yours lasts. I wonder how long there will be parts for these cameras though? Any ideas? |
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Guy
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Posted: 18 April 2013 at 13:41 |
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Sure, it's no problem. The grit of it is written on the first page of the tool (must be expanded with clicking on the "versions" below).
So here goes my description. There are four versions of image count/shutter count used by the alphas. I assume that the numbers always consists of 4 bytes (the 4th one is 0 in all cases I have seen so far, which is logical, a camera should have more than 16.7M actuations). It is also possible that only 3 bytes are used - not sure about this. (all bytes are MSB on the left) Version 1 - for A230 A290 A330 A380 A390 A850 A900: image counter is in field Sony_FocusInfo bytes 0x0849 0x0848 0x0847 0x0846 Version 2a - for A450 A500 A550 image counter is in field Sony_MoreInfo0201 bytes 0x014d 0x014c 0x014b 0x014a version 2b - for A33 A35 A55 A560 A580 NEX-3 NEX-C3 NEX-5 image counter is in field Sony_MoreInfo0201 bytes 0x011e 0x011d 0x011c 0x011b actual shutter actuation counter is in field Sony_MoreInfo0201 bytes 0x0128 0x0127 0x0126 0x0125 The difference here is that for each image made there is one extra shutter actuation if using live-view (so default on SLTS and NEXes). This can be easily seen with the 560 and 580 when using ManualFocusLiveView (as SONY calls it). A similar counter could also exist for version 2a (since those cameras also have MFLV), but I have not yet had the time to check - will check with an A500 during the weekend. version 3 - for all newer SONY cameras: A37 A57 A58 A65 A77 A99 NEX-3N NEX-3F NEX-5N NEX-5R NEX-6 NEX-7 image counter is in field Sony_Tag9050 bytes 0x0035 0x0034 0x0033 0x0032 Since these cameras also use live view (and you can enable/disable electronic first curtain in some of them) I suspect that they have a seperate shutter actuation counter as well (like version 2b). I will test for this during the weekend with an A77. So this is what I know so far! Cheers, Borut Edited by Guy - 18 April 2013 at 13:45 |
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boardhead
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Posted: 18 April 2013 at 13:12 |
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Hi Borut,
Would it be possible for you to post a summary of your findings so that I can add this to ExifTool? - Phil |
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Posted: 18 April 2013 at 05:36 |
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Just want to say Thank You! This is a great tool.
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