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    Posted: 11 May 2013 at 21:56
Just a note after playing a bit with ExifTool: in case of the group of cameras in which NEX-6 resides it is only possible to retrieve info about "Image Count" but IMO this term is misleading and should be replaced by "Exposure Count". The problem is that those cameras allow one to use multi-exposure techniques like "free-hand night shot" (or whatever Sony calls it) and "sweep panorama". For example the former forces the camera to fire 6 exposures and combines those shots into one. As a result you get files which are numbered in a consecutive way e.g. _DSC0129 and _DSC_0130 whereas the ExifTool reports e.g. 1499 and 1505 respectively.
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Detected Camera model : DSLR-A850
Shutter actuations made up to file _DSC0010.JPG: 11699
| | | | Sony_FocusInfo_0x0846 = 179
| | | | Sony_FocusInfo_0x0847 = 45
| | | | Sony_FocusInfo_0x0848 = 0
(65536 * 0) + (256 * 45) + 179 = 11699
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Originally posted by Micholand Micholand wrote:

armyhidi, you might want to re-read the above summary, especially the following paragraph:

  • A100 / A200 / A300 / A350 / A700:
    no such "counter" tags in maker notes directly; most likely data is encrypted and accessible via service tools only, like KM5D



    • hi,

    I have read it in the begining .

    well here is 'maker notes ' tags .actually there are hundred of tags.the only problem we dont know their relationship in order to calculate

    Sony Focus Info 0x0846     126
    Sony Focus Info 0x0847     3
    Sony Focus Info 0x0848     231
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    armyhidi, you might want to re-read the above summary, especially the following paragraph:

  • A100 / A200 / A300 / A350 / A700:
    no such "counter" tags in maker notes directly; most likely data is encrypted and accessible via service tools only, like KM5D
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    hi

    I try http://regex.info/exif.cgi and could get requested data for calculation on A700 but seems that sonyfocus Sony_FocusInfo_0x846,847 and 848 numbers to big and if use same formulas as per A900 result reach millions.

    any body try it?



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    Originally posted by Micholand Micholand wrote:

    These special SonyTags and their respective data can be extracted via exiftool - for details see here.
    A small update on that: based on the information above, Phil Harvey has implemented the direct extraction of ImageCount and Shuttercount in the latest release of Exiftool, version 9.28 of 21 April 2013.
    Just an example with one of my A580 files:
    exiftool.exe -ImageNumber -ImageCount -ShutterCount A580_09770.jpg
    Image Number                    : 9770
    Image Count                     : 10971
    Shutter Count                   : 11253
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    This thread is a short condensed summary of all the findings and informations discovered so far w.r.t. image/shutter counter tags in the maker notes of Sony Alpha cameras.

    Intentionally posted as a read only reference which will be updated in case there are any new findings. Questions or further discussion, please use the referenced threads stated below!




    Image/Shutter actuation information in Sony Alpha JPG and ARW files

    Besides the "normal" information (such as shutter speed, focal length, aperture, etcetera...), the EXIF from the original image file (straight out of the cam) usually contains additional information in the so-called "maker notes". The number of actuations is covert and stored as three bytes of data in the maker notes. This is the case for all Sony DSLR/DSLT and NEX cameras, except the following ones: A100, A200, A300, A350 and A700.

    The initial findings of the corresponding SonyTags for A900/A850 were discovered and published first on German mi-fo.de forum by it's member "Hans-J." . Based on this info Dyxum member "Guy" was able to further identify the corresponding SonyTags used, which hold the shutter actuation data, in all the other Alpha cameras in the maker notes and also set up a small tool site - http://tools.science.si/index.php - to calculate and report back the shutter count via a script by simply uploading an unedited JPG or (c)RAW to this server.

    Calculation of shutter counter from these three SonyTags is done as follows:
    all bytes are MSB on the left:     Tag3 | Tag2 | Tag1
    SUM = (Tag3 << 16) + (Tag2 << 8) + Tag1 = (2^16 * Tag3) + (2^8 * Tag2) + Tag1 = (65536 * Tag3) + (256 * Tag2) + Tag1


    And here's the list of SonyTags identified so far in the maker notes of the Alphas which hold the info:
    • A230 / A290 / A330 / A380 / A390 / A850 / A900:
      Sony_FocusInfo_0x0848 | Sony_FocusInfo_0x0847 | Sony_FocusInfo_0x0846
      SUM = (65536 * Sony_FocusInfo_0x0848) + (256 * Sony_FocusInfo_0x0847) + Sony_FocusInfo_0x0846

    • A450 / A500 / A550:
      Sony_MoreInfo0201_0x014c | Sony_MoreInfo0201_0x014b | Sony_MoreInfo0201_0x014a
      SUM = (65536 * Sony_MoreInfo0201_0x014c) + (256 * Sony_MoreInfo0201_0x014b) + Sony_MoreInfo0201_0x014a

    • A33 / A35 / A55 / A560 / A580 / NEX-3 / NEX-C3 / NEX-5
      Sony_MoreInfo0201_0x011e | Sony_MoreInfo0201_0x011c | Sony_MoreInfo0201_0x011b       - image counter
      SUM = (65536 * Sony_MoreInfo0201_0x011d) + (256 * Sony_MoreInfo0201_0x011c) + Sony_MoreInfo0201_0x011b

      Sony_MoreInfo0201_0x0127 | Sony_MoreInfo0201_0x0126 | Sony_MoreInfo0201_0x0125 - full shutter actuation counter
      SUM = (65536 * Sony_MoreInfo0201_0x0127) + (256 * Sony_MoreInfo0201_0x0126) + Sony_MoreInfo0201_0x0125

      The difference here is that for each image made there is one extra shutter actuation if using live-view which is the default on SLT and NEX.

    • A37 / A57 / A58 / A65 / A77 / A99 / NEX-3N / NEX-3F / NEX-5N /NEX-5R / NEX-6 / NEX-7:
      Sony_Tag9050_0x0034 | Sony_Tag9050_0x0033 | Sony_Tag9050_0x0032
      SUM = (65536 * Sony_Tag9050_0x0034) + (256 * Sony_Tag9050_0x0033) + Sony_Tag9050_0x0032

    • A100 / A200 / A300 / A350 / A700:
      no such "counter" tags in maker notes directly; most likely data is encrypted and accessible via service tools only, like KM5D

    These special SonyTags and their respective data can be extracted via exiftool - for details see here.
    Mind that the file, to give you the shutter actuation data, has to be unedited as most image editing software will strip out the info required from the maker notes!

    Furthermore these counters do not correspond 1:1 to the file image number given on the memory card, but rather are higher due to the fact that shutter was actuated during tethered shooting or intelligent preview (A900/A850); some shooting functions even make multiple actuations such as sweep panorma, multi shot iso mode, hand-held twilight even though only one image is recorded in the end.


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