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Post Options Post Options   Quote chych Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2007 at 01:57
MojoRick - Those timing diagrams do give some insight into this. Perhaps the best way to do this is to detect the first seven rising edges, and then fire the flash on the eighth, though this would require a PIC to do (unless you want to make a mess with counters); also would fail if the trigger misses a pulse accidentally. I'm not sure what to do about HSS, because I would think that the flash would have to support the ability to fire for a long period of time. I was under the impression that all those cheap auto-flashes weren't really meant for HSS.

georgiaboy - You probably don't want to put more than one flash on a thyristor (scr1). However you can put more thyristors in parallel, and have each one fire an individual flash.
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Originally posted by chych chych wrote:

MojoRick - Those timing diagrams do give some insight into this. Perhaps the best way to do this is to detect the first seven rising edges, and then fire the flash on the eighth, though this would require a PIC to do (unless you want to make a mess with counters); also would fail if the trigger misses a pulse accidentally. I'm not sure what to do about HSS, because I would think that the flash would have to support the ability to fire for a long period of time. I was under the impression that all those cheap auto-flashes weren't really meant for HSS.

georgiaboy - You probably don't want to put more than one flash on a thyristor (scr1). However you can put more thyristors in parallel, and have each one fire an individual flash.


You are quite correct, my bad! This application does not use HSS since cheap secondary flashes cannot support it anyway.

So, for my measured data, I would need 167.3 ms +/- 1% over a temperature range of +/-20 Celsius. Therefore, I would need to buy a high quality 10k cermet trimmer pot able to do about 10 turns and to have a temperature coefficient (TC) of +100 ppm/degree Celsius. That would be in series to a high quality fixed resistor with a low TC. To help compensate, I would need a high quality polyester 1 micro-farad capacitor with a negative TC of less than 1% over +/- 20 degree Celsius. Of course as the components age, the timing will shift due some more. The user would have to be instructed to give a 1/8th turn on the trimmer pot to re-adjust.

I wonder how the 5600HS(D) timing varies with temperature? It would be nice to have more margin for timing error due to temperature and aging.

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Try searching for iShoot brand. I have a transmitter (fits on my A77 hotshoe) and 2 receivers ( Each has a Sony/Minolta shoe for the flash and a 1/4" socket underneath for mounting on tripods etc. (Gorilla style pods are handy outdoors). I have been struggling on with a Sunpak auto355af and a Quantaray QBX8000xi : both are fossils but they trigger on these receivers and they cost me $20 the pair! I can't seem to configure for ratio lighting and have had to experiment with distance and various modifiers to soften the blast.

Be careful though, these are made cheaply and don't like being forced on and off hotshoes (had to repair one after its foot stayed in the shoe) but they only cost around $20 -30 the set compared to $150 plus for the ones in my local photo dealer's shop. I am only just learning to do off camera strobist techniques and I still don't understand what the newest gear can and cannot do with my A77 wirelessly. Seems a professional secret.

PS. I think the Yongnuo company make a range too.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote KoprivaMedia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 March 2013 at 01:24
I shoot with iShoot triggers as well and I agree with the assessment of the build quality. It's bad. The triggers work reasonably well for an incredibly low price. I do not trust them in a 'crucial' environment like a wedding, but for portraits, macro, still life, and studio work, they are totally fine.

I've used these for a while (flashzebra sony 3.5mm cable flash mount). I originally used them with Cybersync triggers, which were fantastic, but I sold those in favor of the cheaper iShoots, which also use a 3.5mm jack. I have my receivers in Sony flash mounts but they are built so poorly that I prefer to have them plugged into the cable on the Flashzebra as opposed to supporting the flash unit.

Plus, if you'd like to eventually upgrade to nicer triggers like the new PocketWizard Plus X or Paul C. Buff Cybersyncs, they will work great.
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Hello, let's open this topics after several years.

I have a question:
I bought used camera sony SLT-A99V and as there is no internal flash I bought a system flash Sony hvl-f43am together with flash reduction Minolta to Sony hot shoe.
As I got in the past former Sony camera dslr a700 together with flash Metz 48 AF-1 I am thinking about to use it with A99 in wireless flashing as a second flash. Now thinking how to trigger both flashes in wireless mode. One solution is to buy some small flash, e.g. Hvl-f20am and by this flash trigger and control both Sony and Metz flashes in wireless mode or to use radio wireless trigger, e.g. Pixel Pown TF 363 for Sony /Minolta that seems to me more versatile.
Thank you in advance for your help or your opinion.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote michelb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2023 at 18:53
Your HVL-F43AM should provide you with the control unit you need even with an adapter between it and your body provided the adapter is one that provides TTL language between flash and camera (Sony ADP-MAA should work)(maybe the Metz can also work but i am not familiar with it.
just place the HVL in WL control mode and it should control the Metz in WL.

As for radio control, that is a totally other story and many will not work properly with adapters. My readings about the Pixel triggers is that they do not provide TTL

Edited by michelb - 26 May 2023 at 19:04
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Post Options Post Options   Quote LAbernethy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2023 at 19:14
I have to ask how often you'll be using 1: on camera flash? 2: off camera wireless flash? 3: if you require HSS as well as TTL?
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I didn't known that mentioned radio trigger doesn't provide TTL. 🙁
So the cheapest solution is only another flash (Hvl-f20am) or more expensive radio system supporting TTL and HSS. Can you recommend some compatible radio trigger system (1x transmitter and 2x receiver) with hot shoe Sony or Minolta for Sony SLT-A99V?
On the other side there is nothing pushing me to buy it now. I used WL flashing in the past for some shooting in darker room and sometimes for portraits and 8m some situations it gave very good results.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote michelb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2023 at 21:08
You DON'T need HVL-F20AM (which still requires an adapter on your body) HVL-F20M would be the model to get but unless you want 2 wireless units and with that model both units will fire at the same power since the HVL-F20M is a very basic control unit with no advanced settings possible.

The HVL-F43AM is able to provide you with:
- WL control
- + Ratio between your body flash and wireless flash at your will between it on camera and your remote unit
- + TTL
- + HSS if your Metz flash allows it

Why don't you try it before going through a purchase that may be unnecessary ?

Radio triggers by Sony will not work with these older bodies and flash( only M and RM units with bodies that are younger than A7II or A99 model 2).
The only ones i have that work with both old and new are the Phottix Odin units but they are now hard to find
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Premek Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 May 2023 at 06:03
Yes I know that I can control one flash by another one. My former aim was how to control BOTH flashes.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote LAbernethy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 May 2023 at 13:39
Well then I would recommend you keep your eye out for a HVL-F43M at a reasonable price. Far more useful than the F20M, native shoe mount, same controls as the F43AM.
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