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Originally posted by AudioDoc AudioDoc wrote:

That being said, to retain the greatest amount of image detail in a scene, a lower contrast color negative film like Kodak Professional Portra 160NC and 400NC Films, or Kodak Professional Ultra Color 400UC Film, would be the way to go".

Cool, I'll scan my 400UC tonight.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote AudioDoc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 April 2007 at 19:38
Eclipse,
The Portra 800 was also improved for better scanning. I am going to contact Fuji as to which of their films scanned best. After reading so many opinions on various forums as to which films scan best, I wanted to hear from the film manufacture directly. I told them that I was especially interested in knowing how slides compare to print film when scanning as I shoot E100G (as well as Velvia).
Let you know what I find out from Fuji.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote colmo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 April 2007 at 19:47
I just checked the UK pricing on the V700 and V750 - they work out at about L335 and L470 respectively, a healthy difference - possibly the V750 is only worth it for wet mounting MF or LF film. Considering the Nikon Coolscan comes in at about L440, the Epsons look like a far better deal, due to much greater versatility.

MostlyHarmless, that test scan you did with massive overkill settings probably beats my MkI 5400 for speed - impressive. It looks like you've got yourself a very decent deal.

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Ok, tried a few scans of 400UC but the scanner still appears to be outresolving the film. I played around for a little bit but I'm confident that the limiting factor here is not the scanner. I may need to spend some more time dialing in all the settings. Unfortunately, I've become swamped very suddenly at work so I'm finding myself with less free time than I hoped to really play around with all the scan settings.

I do have a lead as to the issues with Vuescan though - with this scanner, there are two transparency modes. One is "Transparency" and the other is "Transparency 8x10". The latter refers to the reduced scanning area when using the 6400dpi optics. On Vuescan, these settings appear to be reversed with the "Transparency" setting allowing 6400dpi scans and only scanning the reduced area. I suspect this may be causing problems with the multi-crop mode as well. I've emailed Ed Hamrick and am awaiting to hear back from him.

Next thing I think I'll try is the Epson software and I think I'll also give Silverfast a whirl.
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Originally posted by AudioDoc AudioDoc wrote:

Eager to see some sample scans


Well, not from the V700, but from the Epson 4990. This 100% crop



from this 6x7 neg



is about as good as it gets.

IME the mounting of the film is very important, and the filmholder supplied with the scanner is crap. If you can get the film to be as flat as possible, it really helps. A wet mounting kit would probably be very helpful, not only to remove the extra air layer betveen the glass and the neg, but also in taking away the risk of newton rings which you get very easily when trying to pess down a neg onto the glass dry.

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Audiodoc, thanks- I hadn't realised there was a Portra 800. My lot stock it, so I will try it out. Amazing what a film user like me can learn on a digital Forum!
 



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You are welcome, Eclipse, Let us know how you like compared with the Fuji that you have been using, and how well it scans. Of course, film is a very subjective issue -- a matter of the type of use and personal taste. Hope you like it.

Thanks very much for the nice sample, Hazard. What film is that?

MostlyHarmless, I've had good luck with UC400, but of course I don't know how it compares to other 400 ISO films. Have read a number of reports on various forums of good results scanning that film, as well as that confirmation from Kodak. Still waiting for feedback from Fuji as to which of their films scan best.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Remko Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 April 2007 at 22:53
Hmm.. I wouldn't worry too much about SCSI vs MS Vista. Adaptec will find a way around just as they did with XP.

Found an older Nikon Coolscan (LS-2000) with slidefeeder a year ago. Used Adaptec's scsi driver to make it work on XP. So for a year I have been able to scan batches of 30 to 50 slides at a decent resolution (12.7 megapix) and a better dynamic range than our digital wonders supply.

A newer software would be appreciated but the old beast still does a very good job for the price paid :o)
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AudioDoc, sorry, I didn't mean to suggest that I had bad luck with 400UC. I only mean that on the particular shots that I tried, it seemed clear to me that even with its tighter grain pattern, it was still clear to me that at 3200dpi, the V700 wasn't having any problems outresolving the film.

In all fairness, it may not be the film - my film shots are taken with a CLE with a 40/2 lens. I only have about 2 months experience shooting with a rangefinder and the vast majority of the shots were taken with the lens either wide open or stopped all the way down so the lack of detail could be entirely my fault as a photographer.

Basically, what I'm saying here is that there's really nothing I've scanned so far that I can post that can be any more helpful than the samples that have already been made available online from various reviews. All I can say is that in my admittedly brief experience with the scanner so far, I've seen nothing that makes me question what I've read.

I've heard back from Ed Hamrick regarding the Vuescan batch scanning issue. I suspect (and waiting to get confirmation from him) that this actually can't work because Vuescan appears to require a fixed distance between negative strips and the way the V700's film strip holder is designed, the gap between strips 2&3 is wider than the gap between 1&2 and 3&4.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Eclipse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 April 2007 at 11:20
That's a pity, as Vuescan is excellent.
Only last night I had a fight with the 5400 as it made a real horlicks of scanning a negative which was fractionally over exposed (and I really do mean fractionally- the neg looked exactly like negs from another batch on the lightbox which were scanning perfectly), and came out a washed-out all-over purple on the scan. Adjusting the exposure on the software before scanning more or less sorted it out, but for a moment I thought that one of the colours on my neg hadn't been fixed properly- a nasty moment, as it was from a batch of 10 films..... These little machines do keep us on our toes, don't they?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote hazard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 April 2007 at 13:17
Audiodoc: I know it's Kodak T-Max, but I'm not sure if it is ISO 100 or 400, I'll check when I get home. It's taken with a pentax 67 and 105/2.4 mounted stable on a fence, and MLU was used (as a test how sharp the system was).

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Ok, I think I've got things pretty dialed in here. Still no word on the batch scanning issue but I think that's ok - after all, it just means I can only scan two strips per batch job as opposed to four which is still twice as good as dedicated scanners that can only scan one strip at a time!

Here's a scan of BW400CN at 6400dpi, 16x multisampling, multiexposure, ICE set to High, and sharpened and auto-leveled in post processing. I used the T400CN profile in Vuescan.



To my eyes, the results look pretty damn good. You can see the grain and I'm not convinced there's a full 6400dpi worth of resolution to be had there. I haven't done exhaustive, formal testing but I don't think I'm losing any detail by resizing down to "only" 3200dpi.
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I wonder if someone more experienced with scanners and variation in how specifications are stated could comment on one specific example of a lower cost scanner.

Links to Newegg page and the manufacuturer product page follow.

This is a Plustek scanner priced at $190. Stated "hardware resolution" is 7200x7200. It doesn't use the words ICE, but bundled software includes features that perform dust a scratch removal.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote MostlyHarmless Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 May 2007 at 21:08
analytical, what kind of film are you scanning, how much of it do you plan to scan and how often?
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