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The power of caffeine !
I shot some film yesterday. I was told last night that film was dead so today I shot some more.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote LTTay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 November 2007 at 20:42
Originally posted by Dinostrich Dinostrich wrote:

The power of caffeine !

Sorry to laugh at a serious subject, but that's funny Dinostrich!

The only fungus I've seen was in my 35-70 MD lens from my dad's X-700. Of course that lens is over 20 years old and lived in Malaysia where humidity was averaging about 80% all the time.
I've dumped silica gel packs in my bags now evrychance I get. Even my empty bags have Silica Gel packets in them. LOL!!
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Originally posted by my_photography my_photography wrote:

Yes, I have, a Taxxxx lens which is less than 10 years, which was infected by fungus. Even with professional help could not save the lens. I have since bought a dry cabinet and kept all my lens in it.


What the heck is a Taxxxx lens???
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Post Options Post Options   Quote my_photography Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 November 2007 at 01:39
Originally posted by madcat207 madcat207 wrote:

Originally posted by my_photography my_photography wrote:

Yes, I have, a Taxxxx lens which is less than 10 years, which was infected by fungus. Even with professional help could not save the lens. I have since bought a dry cabinet and kept all my lens in it.


What the heck is a Taxxxx lens???


Didn't want to spell the whole name out. Maybe it was only my copy? Any way, the brand name starts with Tam and it is 6-character long.
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Fu****g Fungus!

I bought 2 lenses on ebay this year, Minolta 55mm f/1.7 Rokkor PF and Minolta MD 50mm f/2. Both lenses had fungus in them, I tried couple of days in summer putting them near the window, angled towards the sunlight but failed to kill it. My Minolta 50mm f/2 was the part of Minolta XG-M which I bought for $30, so it was free in other words.

I bought the Minolta 55mm f/1.7 Rokkor PF for $20. The good thing was that seller gave me 50% back on the Minolta 55mm f/1.7 Rokkor PF after complaining about misleading information. Later, I tried to clean the fungus but it was inside the sealed group of elements. Impossible to take it apart and then tried to re-assemble the lens but failed.

In the end, I dumped them in the garbage! I could never imagine myself throwing a lens in the garbage.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote madcat207 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 November 2007 at 02:45
Originally posted by my_photography my_photography wrote:

Originally posted by madcat207 madcat207 wrote:

Originally posted by my_photography my_photography wrote:

Yes, I have, a Taxxxx lens which is less than 10 years, which was infected by fungus. Even with professional help could not save the lens. I have since bought a dry cabinet and kept all my lens in it.


What the heck is a Taxxxx lens???


Didn't want to spell the whole name out. Maybe it was only my copy? Any way, the brand name starts with Tam and it is 6-character long.


Please do spell the whole name out. Brand censorship is just silly and unneeded.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote rpenmanparker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 November 2007 at 02:54
This discussion is really interesting to me. In 35 years of photography (all Minolta equipment) I had never heard of fungus in lenses until reading various lens posts on discussion forums in the last few months. Make no mistake, I don't dispute the facts you all are reporting, I just never heard of it before. Not in photo shops, not in magazines, nowhere. Interesting. As for my own personal experience it is probably just as intriguing that I live on the Gulf Coast, probably the most humid region in the US. But also the area is the most thoroughly air conditioned in the country! My equipment has always been stored in centrally air conditioned houses. We always have either the cooling or heating running. Not very envirnomentally responsible but such is life in the semi-tropics. Maybe air conditioned storage is the best protection against fungus. On the subject of filters used as lens protectors, I wouldn't have a lens for a minute that wasn't covered with a filter. Image degradation by a single filter of almost any quality is just bunk. One additional "element" just isn't going to hurt your images even if it is only "mono" coated. Those of us who go back more than a few years remember when great pictures were taken with barely coated lenses. By way of example, how much coating do you think Ansel Adams had on his lenses? And how long do you think lens coating would last if cleaned frequently? As far as I am concerned a filter is a standard part of a lens.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote PhotoTraveler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 November 2007 at 05:18
No you fool, you need to set it to fluff, keep your lenses nice and cuddly.

Originally posted by Dinostrich Dinostrich wrote:

Yup - you could even use one of those tumble-drier things - I bet they don't have any warnings either.

Might make the lens look a bit battered but then I suppose you could claim for that.

( Not sure a lens with any metal component put in a microwave would be a good idea - might produce some interesting shots though )
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Eclipse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 November 2007 at 12:06
Is it the coatings that the fungus eats? Then maybe older lenses that don't have much in the way of coatings might not have suffered from it?

I hadn't heard of fungus either until I was looking for advice here about buying 2nd-hand lenses. I'd always bought lenses new before, but obviously in the last year or two I haven't had that option.

I'm glad I know about fungus now, though!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote vitor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 November 2007 at 16:42
There are several cabinet dryers to store the lens, they keep the RH level between 30%-60%, they are expensive but a must for those living is humid places.
Check digihub for an example of what I'm talking about.

As for my self, I keep my lens in a glass closet, its not air thigh so some air/dust is able to enter, and sometimes I keep the light inside the closet On when humidity is higher then normal.

Today the hygrometer states around 51% RH, between 50% and 60% I don't worry much, only when it gets around 80% i start to get uncomfortable, thought on getting a dry cabinet but guess I don't really need one.

Also to avoid fungus don't let the lens be near leader, this type of materials are more prone to generate fungus.

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Regards,

In my limited experience the fungus fed on the glue that fastens the doublets together.

Impossible to get to, I notice one poster above also had a similar experience.

Personalty, I'll be looking or asking that any lens be checked for fungus and if it's there I be running in the opposite direction...

My guess is that fungus is most likely to be beyond your reach.

And, have you ever disassembled a lens? YIKES!!!!

I'm a handy guy, and well, I'm thinking just not handy enough...


Fungus, be very afraid...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Eclipse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 November 2007 at 16:58
vitor- do you mean leather? That sounds like good advice. Leather certainly gets mildew very easily even in a dry place, if saddlery is anything to go by, and makes peculiar greeny wax if in contact with some metals- I think zinc is one....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote vitor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 November 2007 at 18:38
Originally posted by Eclipse Eclipse wrote:

vitor- do you mean leather? That sounds like good advice. Leather certainly gets mildew very easily even in a dry place, if saddlery is anything to go by, and makes peculiar greeny wax if in contact with some metals- I think zinc is one....


Yes leather :)
My Voigtländer case is full of that greeny stuff, and I had a bad case of fungus in one of my cameras because of that.

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I understand that fungus needs to feed on organic material.
The glue used in some elements is organic in origin and will therefore allow the fungus to grow.
Fungus will release chemicals that destroy the coatings by acid etching them.

Depending on the lens construction, zoom or focusing mechanisms can allow dust which can be organic to be sucked into the lens and fungus spores can enter the same way.

Personally I have never had a lens affected by fungus and in the past I was not particularly careful about storing them in ideal conditions. I have seen plenty of cases of fungal infection in other peoples lenses so I'm either very lucky or they must have really abused their lenses.

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