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infrastellar
Senior Member Joined: 21 July 2006 Country: United Kingdom Location: Slovakia Status: Offline Posts: 1545 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 May 2007 at 08:59 |
turerkan:
I dont tell what is better. Everyone of us is shooting in another way. I just wanted to say, that with 10mm and a bit more, you need to include something in the foreground into the composition. I have seen lots of pictures of happy 10-20 owners, which were just mountains over there in the backround, and the lower part of the picture was just nothing. Also details many times disappear. Simply includes too many things into the picture, and make it small and far away. Shots like salto kawi is OK:) The landscape photography is very diverse, I shoot also at 200mm. So it depends. Of course 10-20 is an excellent option. It includes 20mm. So its just about me, I would choose 20mm over sigma 14mm. |
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PhotoTraveler
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 May 2007 at 09:21 |
Yeah, thats part of my feelings too. I really don't think Landscapes mean wide, and wide means landscapes.
I think a common mistake we all have done is found ourselves on some beautiful vista, we put on the widest thing we got and take the shot. It's an awe inspiring view. Get home, look at the shot, and it's just dull. That's where you learn those big vistas really need something going on and something more than a wide lens to do them right. All you have is a shot of a lot of nothing, everything is small and boring. Personally, I think wides are good for tight spaces, like in the woods, and urban stuff at times (though really need a TS/PC there). But a 400mm lens can be a landscape lens too. |
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infrastellar
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 May 2007 at 09:23 |
phototraveler:
thats the point. |
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brettania
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 May 2007 at 09:49 |
I have to say that despite having a 20-35 in my bag during a recent trip through the most scenic areas of NZ, I mainly used the 28-75 D as there was nothing wrong with the perspectives it gave of grandiose vistas. I still would have loved to have the 10-20, which I expect to arrive tomorrow. Edited by brettania - 13 May 2007 at 09:50 |
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brettania
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 May 2007 at 11:13 |
Have thought about this a bit more -- the 10-20 will be useful to me if I am quite close to an area that I want to photograph which doesn't often happen with landscapes. But if you are slap-bang in front of the mountain and can't step back without falling in the lake, the widest lens will get everything in. Makes sense? Edited by brettania - 13 May 2007 at 11:16 |
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infrastellar
Senior Member Joined: 21 July 2006 Country: United Kingdom Location: Slovakia Status: Offline Posts: 1545 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 May 2007 at 13:56 |
of course it makes sense. And if you have a good panorama software, you can shoot 4 pics and stich later then :)
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Gabriel
Senior Member Emeritus Member Joined: 05 December 2006 Location: France Status: Offline Posts: 1931 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 May 2007 at 18:05 |
I think that very wide angle lenses might often be more usefull in urban areas than for landscapes.
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omerbey
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 May 2007 at 21:45 |
So do we all agree that Tokina 12-24 f:4 should exist in our mount?
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PhotoTraveler
Senior Member Joined: 30 September 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Posts: 6356 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 May 2007 at 22:22 |
Was only a matter of time till someone slipped that request in :)
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CTYankee
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 May 2007 at 15:21 |
I think to some people, "landscape" means "wide vista" ... I've taken to calling a lot of my photography "scenic" instead of "landscape" just to get rid of that mis-expectation that I've got a portfolio full of scenic vistas !
Landscape photography in New England is vastly different from landscape photography in, say, Utah. There aren't very many places where you can see for miles and miles, what with all the hills and trees, and when you can see for miles and miles, you've either got hazy skies or a landscape full of power lines, buildings, roads or other signs of civilization. Landscape photography in this part of the country frequently features signs of rural civilization ... covered bridges, barns, etc. Even when travelling to places where I did occasionally find those sweeping vistas, I was always content with the WA coverage of my old Sigma 21-35 (on film). When I upgraded to the 17-35G, a found virtually no use for the extra coverage - I can remember two shots that I took at 17mm, one of which was a fair "keeper". I shot in Utah with the 17-35D and the 7D and found 17mm on APS-C to be barely adequate and would have preferred just a tad more coverage. So I've come to the conclusion that for me, 24mm on FF is a necessity while 20mm on FF is a luxury. If I got back into doing landscape (scenic :) photography today, I'd probably get the CZ16-80 for APS-C and live with that, and not worry about anything wider until full frame sometime down the road. As I'm not doing much nature photography, 17-35D does the trick for the moment. |
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calpon
Senior Member Joined: 04 May 2006 Country: United States Location: United States Status: Offline Posts: 455 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 May 2007 at 13:23 |
Thanks to all who responded.
This discussion hasn't brought me to my final decision. There seems to be 2 schools of thought. 16/17 is wide enough for some, while others think wider is better. I think I'll plod along with thew kit for a couple of more months and concentrate on my wide angle needs. |
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tmoreau
Senior Member Joined: 26 June 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Posts: 639 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 May 2007 at 22:25 |
I love my sigma 10-20mm. Its tough to use. Its specialized. It has compromises. Blah blah blah. 16mm is great for landscapes, so is 20mm. So is 90mm. 10-15mm is fun, but requires you to be VERY careful and restrained (don't be that nut with a gallery full of "Look I have a 10mm! WeeEEeEee!").
I have many 10-20mm shots that look like they could have been taken with a normal lens, at least at first look. These are my favorites. I could live with a 16mm, 28mm, 50mm, and 90mm for landscape. I had a NICE 17mm, but eventually our relationship fell apart. I needed something... just a little.... different. |
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Wētāpunga
Senior Member Joined: 02 September 2007 Country: New Zealand Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Posts: 6827 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 September 2007 at 21:43 |
I got the 11-18 for landscape/scenic options. But as I do a bit of travelling to various spots in the world, having options packed into one lens is handy. Nonetheless, part of my motivation to get the 16-80, was to employ it for landscape/scenic shots that the 11-18 was 'too wide'. So I'm now using both... I guess, a lot will depend a lot on the landscape shots you're most likely to take. |
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Dave18
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 December 2008 at 18:27 |
I've got a min 28-135 which I use for almost everything, if I need wide I make a panorama with my A200, 3 shots 30MP minus the overlap of course
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