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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 June 2019 at 13:04
I got that

These days the pricing of Sony lenses is fine. I just wonder how much better this 200-600 is compared to the Nikon 200-500/5.6. That one is 500 euro cheaper...
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

I got that

These days the pricing of Sony lenses is fine. I just wonder how much better this 200-600 is compared to the Nikon 200-500/5.6. That one is 500 euro cheaper...


nikon is a slower focussing lens from what I understand but Sony is 1/3rd stop slower.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 June 2019 at 13:32
I am interested in a x-600mm but not for E-mount.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote nandbytes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 June 2019 at 13:53
Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

I am interested in a x-600mm but not for E-mount.


you are in luck, tamrom does one in all other mount inc. a-mount
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Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

I am interested in a x-600mm but not for E-mount.

you are in luck, tamrom does one in all other mount inc. a-mount

I wonder if the G2 has the 2011 updated A-mount stuff. It and their 85mm F1.8 are the most recent/last A-mount lenses. I do like their 35mm. Where's the baby A9 for these new FE lenses?

Edited by QuietOC - 12 June 2019 at 15:26
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 June 2019 at 16:19
Thom Hogan on the new lenses, with a side note about a dedicated APS-C telezoom (he thinks a 50-135/2.8-4, I think a 55-200/3.5-4.5).
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Originally posted by C_N_RED_AGAIN C_N_RED_AGAIN wrote:

I have a pre order in on the 200-600 and I also have the 100-400. Probably keep both tbh.


I too, preordered it today, but not sure if I'll keep the 100-400mm. It really depends on the performance of the 200-600mm... my only concern is the lack of dual AF motors like the 100-400mm. But I can't justify keeping both.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 June 2019 at 21:41
Why is the lack of dual AF motors a concern? AFAIK the 100-400 has dual motors because the way it focusses. Also, two motors means double the change something goes wrong. So, why the concern?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote trainerKEN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 June 2019 at 23:26
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Why is the lack of dual AF motors a concern? AFAIK the 100-400 has dual motors because the way it focusses. Also, two motors means double the change something goes wrong. So, why the concern?


the concern is... will it be able to track birds in flight as good as the 100-400mm?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 June 2019 at 04:45
Okay, but having two motors is not really important. It is the amount of glass and the strength of the motor that is important. Also, the kind of motor makes a difference: the 100-400 has linear motors, the 200-600 probably a more conventional one. Two motors probably has the least influence.

But in the end we will see.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 June 2019 at 11:13
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Thom Hogan on the new lenses, with a side note about a dedicated APS-C telezoom (he thinks a 50-135/2.8-4, I think a 55-200/3.5-4.5).
I agree. Having used comparatively small and cheap (for the time ...) 135mm f2.8 and 200mm f3.5 primes back in the 1970s, I've always been slightly annoyed by the lack of a cheap and compact f2.8-3.5 100-200mm zoom.

On A mount Minolta almost managed it, but the beercan was only f4 and the 80-200APO f2.8 was exotic and heavy. The Tamron 70-200mm f2.8 is lighter and available, but they're all FF. Sony didn't bother at all, and I always felt the APS-C users were treated as second-class citizens who were content with f5.6 at the long end.

To be fair, Minolta did give us a lot of quite small and effective consumer zooms, many of which work well on APS-C, but yes, I'd like a lightweight plastic f2.8 zoom that covered at least 70-200mm on APS-C only, and was priced to sell.
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Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

I've always been slightly annoyed by the lack of a cheap and compact f2.8-3.5 100-200mm zoom.

On A mount Minolta almost managed it, but the beercan was only f4 and the 80-200APO f2.8 was exotic and heavy. The Tamron 70-200mm f2.8 is lighter and available, but they're all FF. Sony didn't bother at all, and I always felt the APS-C users were treated as second-class citizens who were content with f5.6 at the long end.


Iirc once you hit ~100mm there is essentially no size/weight saving to building an APS-C v FF lens of same qualities. A 200mm/2.8 is always going to need at least a 72mm front element.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 June 2019 at 12:24
Originally posted by Heidfirst Heidfirst wrote:

Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

I've always been slightly annoyed by the lack of a cheap and compact f2.8-3.5 100-200mm zoom.

On A mount Minolta almost managed it, but the beercan was only f4 and the 80-200APO f2.8 was exotic and heavy. The Tamron 70-200mm f2.8 is lighter and available, but they're all FF. Sony didn't bother at all, and I always felt the APS-C users were treated as second-class citizens who were content with f5.6 at the long end.


Iirc once you hit ~100mm there is essentially no size/weight saving to building an APS-C v FF lens of same qualities. A 200mm/2.8 is always going to need at least a 72mm front element.


That sounds plausible. However an f2.8-4 zoom could be smaller than a constant f2.8 zoom, and would give a more consistent DOF; but there aren't any above 105mm! They all jump straight from f2.8 beasties to f4-5.6 or slower.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 June 2019 at 12:35
Tamron has a new 35-150 F2.8-4 VC USD (non SP).

My Sigma APO 50-150 F2.8 EX DC HSM II is much smaller and lighter than my Sigma APO 70-200 F2.8 EX DG OS HSM. It is smaller than that Tamron too especially when the Tamron is zoomed out. My old 70-150 F3.8 and 50-135 F3.5 zooms have issues that could probably be solved by larger optics.

I personally require a light (<500g) 55-300 F5.6, which is so far missing for E-mount. I don't need it to be faster or optically stabilized. Lighter and more range at both ends would be nice.

Edited by QuietOC - 13 June 2019 at 12:40
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