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    Posted: 27 December 2020 at 23:27
Hi,
I just wonder if I do need to upgrade my old sony a 7 to Sony a7RII which is £1075 or Sony A7 III which is £1319. I am an enthusiast and enjoy Portraits, Friends, Landscapes, Macro photography, Family and Travel, Night sky. I seldom do pictures of sport or animals.
So do I need Sony a7R II or Sony A7 III? Do I need to upgrade??
I do have as lenses Sony 24-105 G F/4, Viltrox 85mm F1.8 AF, Samyang 35mm F/2.8, Samyang 14mm 2.8, 7artizan 11mm f/2.8 fisheye lens.
I do enjoy my Minolta AF and Sigma lenses A mount with LAEA-4 adapter such as: Minolta 50mm f/1.4, Minolta 28mm f/2.8, Minolta 135mm f/2.8, Minolta small beercan 35-70 F/4 and Big beercan 70-210 f/4 as well as Sigma 105mm f/2.8 Macro lens.
So what do you think? I will appreciate your answers!
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Wētāpunga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2020 at 00:31
I'm not sure anyone *needs* to upgrade, but the advantages of the a7 III would be the much better battery, the improved AF-algorithms (the face detection and eye-detection are quite remarkable) and 24 MP means you could still do prints that are say, 20" x 30" without a problem.

Personally I like to skip a generation between Sony alpha cameras as my rough rule of the thumb, is there usually isn't enough improvements to justify a one-generation upgrade. After two+ generations there is.

The a7Rii is clearly the cheaper option, and would further mean you could keep using your existing camera batteries. But it doesn't seem as if you need 42MP (where the scope for cropping say wildlife pics, or making larger prints is desirable).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote neilt3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2020 at 01:22
Welcome to the forum .
Are you after being talked into upgrading or talked out of it ?!

What is your current camera not doing for you that a new one would ?

That kinda determines if you need to upgrade .

My main camera is still an a900 from around 2009 , and my secondary camera is an a77ii . between these they do everything I need .
The NEX 7 from around 9 years ago is my pocket camera .
I'm after an a7iii , but that's just because I want one , not because I need one .
It'll be a digital back for my manual focus lenses that I use on my film cameras .
The last camera I bought about a year ago was a large format 7"x5" Kodak Specialist model 2 camera from the 1950's . So newer isn't always what's needed/wanted !



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Brownie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2020 at 01:27
Every camera I own makes better photographs than do I.

What is the purpose of the upgrade? If you just want a new camera, then please proceed and have fun. I've been known to do that myself.

On the other hand if the end goal is better photos, then keep your gear, save your money, and work on your technique.

My 2 cents.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote ganchoo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2020 at 02:46
My first generation camera Sony A7 does not have for example build IBIS which every other generation has.
I has not have eye AF, or better battery life or 10p per second speed or 4K video or better ISO or better Dynamic range.
It has better weight and smaller size. It still produce great pictures but it would be beneficial to have IBIS. I had image stabilization in my old Sony Alpha cameras but not in Sony A7 itself.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ganchoo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2020 at 02:54
I do agree that better technic is good but often the camera gears help. Otherwise everyone still will use the cameras from 19-20 century. The world evolve and camera too plus nowadays I have to do and some post-production using Photoshop for example. I do like to have better camera or lens but all they cost money so I have to justify every time I buy something.
On the other hand if I am not enthusiastic I may just use my Sony Xperia 1 mobile camera and to be happy.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote ganchoo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2020 at 03:06
Thank you for your answer. One of my problem is the shortage of IBIS with my Sony A7.
4th Generation will be better but costly. I think Sony A7 IV will be out in the middle of 2021. Should I weight till then so the Sony A7 III will drop drastically the price or to update now?
Also, With 42 MP camera I can doo cropping without jeopardising the picture quality as well as to catch better details of Macro picture or landscape.
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The original A7 debuted Eye AF. Go into the menu and assign it to a custom button. Select AF-S. Wait until an eye is visible to the camera before hitting Eye AF. Yes, the Real-time AF-C Eye AF in the third generation is easier to use. The A7RII has AF-C Eye AF--I haven't tried it.

I feel a bit ambivalent about Sony IBIS.

The A7RII just eats batteries. It does come with two and an off-camera charger.

The A7III battery lasts and lasts, but that camera is so picky about USB charging and doesn't come with another battery or a charger.

The third generation locks out the EVF when the screen is pulled away from the body. That is a big improvement for me. The old behavior immediately annoyed me with the A7RII.

I prefer non-R image quality especially when cropping.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote LAbernethy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2020 at 04:14
Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

The original A7 debuted Eye AF. Go into the menu and assign it to a custom button. Select AF-S. Wait until an eye is visible to the camera before hitting Eye AF. Yes, the Real-time AF-C Eye AF in the third generation is easier to use. The A7RII has AF-C Eye AF--I haven't tried it.

I feel a bit ambivalent about Sony IBIS.

The A7RII just eats batteries. It does come with two and an off-camera charger.

The A7III battery lasts and lasts, but that camera is so picky about USB charging and doesn't come with another battery or a charger.

The third generation locks out the EVF when the screen is pulled away from the body. That is a big improvement for me. The old behavior immediately annoyed me with the A7RII.

I prefer non-R image quality especially when cropping.


+1 Sound practical informed advice.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2020 at 08:25
People differ. I am fine with the battery life of the A7r2 - but it is not that good, so, bring a spare. The new battery in the A7III is much better - in fact the Sony cameras are about the best now for mirrorless cameras.

There is cashback available in the UK at the moment. Making the current cameras interesting. The A7 IV is expected around the summer (late Q2, Q3) - do you want to wait this long?

This is a difficult choice. The A7r2 has better AF then your A7 and that lovely 42mp sensor. The A7 III has even better AF at slightly less IQ. (The A7c has even better AF btw).

Don't bother with automatic EVF/Screen switching, it just eats batteries. Assign a button to this. Much better.

Do you shoot RAW? Then the A7r2 will have better IQ imho. But when you shoot JPEG, the newer cameras have better JPEG engines.

So, I think it is almost impossible to decide between these two. I guess it is something like: if you want to crop, get the A7r2; if you want better AF, get the A7 III. Unless you shoot JPEG, just get the A7 III.

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Oh, almost forgot. The newer cameras have a better grip. But even the second generation grip is better then the first generation. And eye-AF in the first generation cameras is in AF-S only and therefore useless imho. The eye-AF in the A7r2 is fine though a bit cumbersome with a dedicated button.
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Thank you for your polite answer. Even it has an eye AF in the first generation cameras is in AF-S only. Does not make it therefore useless?
Thanks again.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ganchoo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2020 at 09:39
I could not catch it why you are ambivalent about IBIS?
Yes, I still can use tripods or monopods but that is additional equipment to have and I do sometimes but IBIS would help me when I use some primes especially when the light is not enough. I do have one lens with build image stabilization and that is Sony 24-105 G f/4 and external flash to help.
Remember I do not do professional shooting like portraites in studio or landscape where tripod is must. I just shut for pleasure.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ganchoo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2020 at 09:48
I do shoot not JPEG and RAW but I found that often I will go and do some post production changes and create new JPEG from RAW.
I would like the price of Sony A7r II and it's 42 MP sensor but on the other hand is newer Sony A7 III with nearly everything better but has 24 MP Sensor.
I think that 42 MP will allow me to use cheaper APS-C lenses or just crop to get closer result like I had longer telephoto with me.
Thank you for your answer.
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