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Post Options Post Options   Quote dCap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2020 at 10:04
IBIS is extremely useful, I personally tried and ruled out non-IBIS cameras.
I'm just about to join the Sony FE system (have zero Sony mirrorless today).

I considered the A7 (I) when it was still available new at it's lowest price but knew I would prefer to have the A7 II - which is the camera I am getting.

I've ruled out the A7 R II as I know I just do not need 42mp. Even though there are a couple of things on the A7 R II I would quite like they are not enough to justify the the extra price. And I do not need to deal with 42mp files. This might be something worth considering between the A7 and A7 R models. DPR did an "A7 II vs A7 R II" comparison slide-show thing which might be useful even while considering the III models.

Have you considered one of the a6xxx models? As an additional body and keeping your A7. Or perhaps even as a replacement. I personally ruled them out, I like and prefer the style of a6400 but for that price I'd prefer to have an A7 II. IBIS was a big part of my decision. But I am at the end of 12 years using Olympus/Panasonic and I've had IBIS in all but one camera in that time.

Some people dual shoot - e.g. A7 II and A6400 - for different topics. This might work for you?

I do not *need* to change my cameras, I have two systems and combined they fit my *needs* but I do not enjoy using them as much as I have previous cameras - so I *want* and will change them. It has exactly zero impact on my photo abilities and skillz ... other than the fact I do not leave home with the camera I do not like using.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ganchoo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2020 at 10:30
Hi, thank you for your answer. I like using one camera only as it is lighter than two cameras,😁.
If you want Sony A7 II check in Infinity cameras shop. They are cheaper.
I had Sony A 6000 years ago and I did find that for still pictures full frame camera is a must.
For me, I prefer when upgrade to get something with more benefits like bigger sensor or better AF, or 4HD video or 120 FPS video and IBIS.
The newer is better but on what price??
Do you think 42 MP sensor will get better pictures?? I have very powerful PC so I do not worry about post production.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2020 at 10:37
Eye-AF in AF-S: No, not completely useless, but people move and it is in AF-S only useful when people sit still. Therefore the "imho" disclaimer

IBIS is nice to have. Even if the Sony system is not the best one on the market. And the OIS in the lens and the IBIS work together nicely. I generally keep my shutter speed up none the less, but I can go down if I want to, thanks to IBIS.

If you want to use APS-C lenses, I would get an APS-C camera as these are significant smaller then the full-frame cameras. And cheaper lenses, well, the Sony system has matured and there are good full frame options for not to much money. But cropping power always is nice and the 42mp sensor will give you that with an 18mp (I think) APS-C crop.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2020 at 10:45
Originally posted by ganchoo ganchoo wrote:

For me, I prefer when upgrade to get something with more benefits like bigger sensor or better AF, or 4HD video or 120 FPS video and IBIS.
With both cameras you get better AF and better IQ. If you're also looking at videa, the A7 III is a more compelling choice I think.

Maybe this comparison (at launch, so firmware might have changed some things) is helpfull:
https://mirrorlesscomparison.com/preview/sony-a7iii-vs-a7rii/


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2020 at 10:53
Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:


I prefer non-R image quality especially when cropping.


Why is that? I would expect the extra res of the R to give better results.

I am thinking about moving to FF E-mount at some point in the next year or so, but currently have only APS-C E-mount lenses, so I was wondering about using the A7RII in crop mode with these to get IBIS and central VF and keep the 20Mp res.

Maybe 12Mp from the A7II would be enough in crop, or maybe if I disabled auto crop (can that be done with Sony E lenses?) I wouldn't need to crop so much anyway, especially if I'm not cropping in 3:2 format (APS-C A-mount lenses often work quite well on FF at 16:9 or 1:1)

I have plenty of Minolta FF lenses and various MF, but none of the wide ones offer a fast aperture; if I did go for the A7II, for example, I would want a 24mm f1.8 or f1.4. I would probably have to break the habit of a lifetime and stick with a very few expensive lenses rather than a plethora of cheap ones.
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I had an A7, then added an A7ii and later added an A7Rii and sold the A7

IBIS was one of the reasons allthough I still regard IBIS as a nice to have and not essential. Noise is so good on these cameras that using a faster shutter speed is also an option.

I must say these days I use the A7ii 3-4 times more than the A7Rii

First of all 24 MP is more than enough for my needs and shooting with some older manual focus glass 42 MP is overkill most of the time anyway.

I only use the A7Rii when I need the extra bells and whistles, i.e. need more MP's to crop for reach or when using an APS-C lens (eg. the E10-18/4), need the silent shutter or want to manually set a different minimum shutter speed when using auto iso vs the standard 1/60th and the Rii has a slightly better low light performance.

The other times it comes out is when I go out with multiple lenses to minimise lens swaps in the field.

The only reason for getting the A7Rii was the fact I found a very cheap black friday deal in 2019, which made it cheaper than a A7ii but if I wouldn't have found that I would have continued with my A7 and A7ii and don't think I would have missed very much. Only over time the A7 would have been replaced by another A7ii.

I don't have experience with an A7iii, the bigger battery would be an advantage (better AF is not important for me, but ymmv) but I just carry a spare with me and even after the battery indicator becomes orange there's still some shots left to be taken.

Other thing to note is that the A7 is lighter and has a nicer built quality of the control wheels than any of the later series, but on the other hand the lens mount is more wobbly and significantly more sturdy on the ii, iii and iv cameras.   
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Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:


I prefer non-R image quality especially when cropping.


Why is that? I would expect the extra res of the R to give better results.

I am thinking about moving to FF E-mount at some point in the next year or so, but currently have only APS-C E-mount lenses, so I was wondering about using the A7RII in crop mode with these to get IBIS and central VF and keep the 20Mp res.

Maybe 12Mp from the A7II would be enough in crop, or maybe if I disabled auto crop (can that be done with Sony E lenses?) I wouldn't need to crop so much anyway, especially if I'm not cropping in 3:2 format (APS-C A-mount lenses often work quite well on FF at 16:9 or 1:1)

I have plenty of Minolta FF lenses and various MF, but none of the wide ones offer a fast aperture; if I did go for the A7II, for example, I would want a 24mm f1.8 or f1.4. I would probably have to break the habit of a lifetime and stick with a very few expensive lenses rather than a plethora of cheap ones.


The R's would be good for cropping if they just had more pixels, but the additional pixels are combined with more aliasing. The 24 MP APS-C cameras have the best Sony compromise to my eyes. The plain A7's are ok.

FWIW: the crops on the full-frames are 1.5X not root 2. I miss root 2.

People seem to love the 24mm F1.4 GM. I don't feel like I need it. I might be tempted by the Sigma 24mm F3.5. I am more interested in the 20mm F1.8 G, but my Sigma 20mm F1.8 is fine.

The Tamron 17-28 F2.8 makes a very convincing case for itself.
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Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

Maybe 12Mp from the A7II would be enough in crop, or maybe if I disabled auto crop (can that be done with Sony E lenses?)
Yes that can be done - on the A7 (and presumably the II) under the 'cog' menu, page 5, APS-C Size Capture, select On/Auto/Off. It's not very different but the cropped area is 10MP, not 12 - 2936x2624. I find with the Tamron 10-24 lens on the camera I can crop slightly wider (to 12MP) at 10mm and FF coverage kicks in somewhere around 16mm with that lens.
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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:


I prefer non-R image quality especially when cropping.


Why is that? I would expect the extra res of the R to give better results.

I am thinking about moving to FF E-mount at some point in the next year or so, but currently have only APS-C E-mount lenses, so I was wondering about using the A7RII in crop mode with these to get IBIS and central VF and keep the 20Mp res.

Maybe 12Mp from the A7II would be enough in crop, or maybe if I disabled auto crop (can that be done with Sony E lenses?) I wouldn't need to crop so much anyway, especially if I'm not cropping in 3:2 format (APS-C A-mount lenses often work quite well on FF at 16:9 or 1:1)

I have plenty of Minolta FF lenses and various MF, but none of the wide ones offer a fast aperture; if I did go for the A7II, for example, I would want a 24mm f1.8 or f1.4. I would probably have to break the habit of a lifetime and stick with a very few expensive lenses rather than a plethora of cheap ones.


The R's would be good for cropping if they just had more pixels, but the additional pixels are combined with more aliasing. The 24 MP APS-C cameras have the best Sony compromise to my eyes. The plain A7's are ok.

FWIW: the crops on the full-frames are 1.5X not root 2. I miss root 2.

People seem to love the 24mm F1.4 GM. I don't feel like I need it. I might be tempted by the Sigma 24mm F3.5. I am more interested in the 20mm F1.8 G, but my Sigma 20mm F1.8 is fine.

The Tamron 17-28 F2.8 makes a very convincing case for itself.


Additional pixels will give less aliasing and at some point in the future when the sampling rate is sufficient no aliasing at all.
Are you thinking about the lack of an anti aliasing filter in the R models? It is a general trend in high res models. As I remember it the Nikon D800E was the first to omit the optical low pass filter.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote ganchoo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2020 at 12:25
At that moment Sony A7r II is cheaper than Sony A7 III.
I believe that 42 MP sensor with would give better pictures obviously.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2020 at 12:52
@Ganchoo: you've decided? I think it is a good choice

@Miranda F: How much are you into 24mm? The 28/2 is not that expensive and a reasonable performer. And how much do you need f/1.8? The Samyang 24/2.8 or Sigma 24/3.5 might be an option - like QuietOC also said. There are options in FE mount!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ganchoo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2020 at 13:13
I think if you want to do night sky pictures you will need 24mm or less and f/2.8 or less but you must be carefull
about comma with those lenses.
If you do landscapes I do not think you need high aperture like 1.4 or even 2.8 and it is better to have tripod on.
For portraits it is very inconvenient to use 24mm lens.
I do have Sony 24-105 G f/4 lens which is versatile. My Minolta AF 50MM F/1.4 with LE-EA4 adapter is fantastic for low light, portraits and all around and cheap but you will lose IBIS with those adapters.
I think if you have money better and you have IBIS then Tamron 17+35mm f/2.8 is good if you are after wide angle lens.
Samyang has got good lenses as well. Like 35mm 1.8 or 45mm 1.8 or 75 1.8 and they are cheaper options.
Sony lenses are good but expensive so way do you need 24 1.4 lens??????
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2020 at 13:25
Originally posted by ganchoo ganchoo wrote:

My Minolta AF 50MM F/1.4 with LE-EA4 adapter is fantastic for low light, portraits and all around and cheap but you will lose IBIS with those adapters.
I think the LA-EA4 does not disable the IBIS (if the body has this). Where did you find that information?


EDIT: just tested, IBIS works fine on the A7ii and using the Minolta 200/2.8 on the LA-EA4

With IBIS on, 4 out of 5 shots handheld at 1/30 are sharp
With IBIS off none of 5 shots handheld at 1/30 are sharp

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Post Options Post Options   Quote ganchoo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2020 at 13:57
My Minolta AF has 5 pin connectors. I read in Deepreview that you may use IBIS if your lens has 8 pins as for digital cameras. I cannot confirm that as my Sony A7 has no IBIS.
SO BE AWARE when you use A mount lens in E mount body with adapter you must have 8 pins in it.
My old Sigma 105mm f.2.8 macro is with 8 pins. In Minolta lenses there is D at the end to tell you if the lens is for digital cameras and obviously Sony lenses are all with 8 pins.
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