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Originally posted by ragamuffin ragamuffin wrote:

I never really considered smaller e-mount cameras such as nex-5t, 5000, 6000 etc. Looking at specs, they seem comparable to a-mount cameras. Does the smaller body size hinder you at all? To me, it would be unbalanced if I put beercan or big lenses. Maybe due to its small size, it would be easier to carry it around?


The Nex mostly just looks a little silly perched on something like a beercan. It balances just fine with a hand under the barrel and works well. The primes you listed would work well, the original 35-105 would be a little big for it. The second generation would be a better fit. Although it is a lens I'm generally not fond of, the 24-105 makes a nice match with the Nex. Compact lens and effective 36-150mm, moderate wide to moderate tele. ISO is faster than the A100. Where I really like it is with the native E pancake 16-50mm. In camera correction makes that a very nice little lens, and inexpensive due to the bad rap it got before Sony put correction in the camera. It collapses flat when turned off and the camera fits nicely in a pocket. 16mp APS-C is a good combination of density and sensor size.

The A6xxx series are nice too and getting less expensive. They are bigger than the Nex but have a lot of features. I got an A6500 a couple of years ago and it is a more advanced camera than the A7ii in some ways. That choice over earlier A6xxx was again image stabilization. I use the adapter I got for the Nex with my Minolta glass and it works well. AF is faster and more positive than with the A100. The focus mechanism in the adapter is from the A65, but there is a lot more processing horsepower inside the camera and that makes it run faster (same with the Nex, but not as dramatic). Although still not in the same league of quickness as newer SSM lenses, I don't miss many shots due to focus speed, but I'm not shooting NASCAR.

E mount is where Sony's R&D money has been going, and those cameras work very nicely with the adapters and Minolta glass. I like the saturated Minolta colors, guess I've shot with them too long E also lets you use cheap adapters for MF lenses which is fun too.
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Originally posted by ragamuffin ragamuffin wrote:


A100 has served me well for 10 years! However, compared to my friend's camera that's 5 years old, AF speed is slow and iso is unusable past 800. I didn't know what I was missing until I tried other cameras. However, when I have abundant lighting and taking a still picture, I can't complain about my A100. It still serves me well.


Well, that's real. You're absolutely right, higher ISO and faster focus are baked into newer bodies.

Interestingly, I have found that each newer body I got focused my old lenses better and more quickly. I expect that is a result of more processing horsepower in the camera body. While the old lenses will never be as fast as new SSM lenses on a new body, the newer the body the faster and more positive the focus has been. I had occasions with the A100 where it would hunt, especially in lower light. That has pretty much disappeared using the same lenses on newer bodies and at higher ISOs.
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Originally posted by ragamuffin ragamuffin wrote:

I never really considered smaller e-mount cameras such as nex-5t, 5000, 6000 etc. Looking at specs, they seem comparable to a-mount cameras. Does the smaller body size hinder you at all? To me, it would be unbalanced if I put beercan or big lenses. Maybe due to its small size, it would be easier to carry it around?


One issue you might have with some of the E mount bodies is that they don't have a viewfinder .
Holding a camera to your eye adds great stability , and no image stabilization with all but the latest bodies .
Those are more expensive , if your going to spend that much on a body , you might as well get an a68 or a77ii .
All A mount bodies have a viewfinder and image stabilization .
Worth beating in mind regardless of budget.
Two older E mount bodies with an EVF to consider are the NEX 6 & NEX 7 .
I use the NEX 7 with mostly the 16-55mm zoom lens as a nice compact pocket camera if I'm going out or traveling light .
I rarely use DSLR lenses on it , if I want a telephoto I put the E mount 55-200mm in my other pocket .
Something worth considering , but in your position I would just upgrade the a100 to a newer body . Get the best you can afford , and you'll be happy for years to come .
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You have a nice set of lenses - both the 20 and the 28 would be great on full-frame - however if APS-C has done well enough for you so far there are lots of advantages to the SLT over your old a100.

...For a start the viewfinder will seem much bigger - although it is electronic and some people do have a problem getting on with an EVF (I love 'em myself) - the a100 was limited by the pentamirror and the physical size of the mirror/sensor - You will also get focus peaking.

I would suggest looking at the a68 - you only get one dial, but you only had one with the a100, plus you get the display on top, and live view off the tilting read screen. Althoug hthe bayonet is more obviously plastic, I think this was the case with the a100 (at least it was with the KM 5D, the tabs are plastic although the flange is metal on the a100/KM5D).

I went full-frame because I love wide angles - I wanted my 20 to be wide and my fisheye to be wider still. If you do more telephoto work, the smaller format may be a better option - If you do want to try full frame, picking up a used a850/a900 or a99 could be an option.
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Sony made a neat little electronic viewfinder for the Nex5 bodies, FDA-EV1S. I got one along with the Nex5. Have not seen one in awhile, they may be getting hard to find. As Neilt3 notes Nex6&7 have internal viewfinders.

Currently there's Nex5T online at $199, Nex6 at $249 and Nex7 for another hundred bucks. Nex7 is 24mp. Nex's are still a lot of little camera with APS-C sensors and what Sony built the E mount A6xxx and A7 revolution on.

As Bob J notes, A68 at $598 is a good value, original FF A7 for a couple of hundred bucks more is too. But they're getting into budget price creep. That's a slippery slope with shiny newer models being seductive.

Sony really has done an amazing job of standing the camera industry on its head through rapid innovation. Pick your price and feature point and jump in. For your sticking points with the A100, focus speed and ISO have been on a reasonably linear track since 2006. A little time poking in Dyxum's camera section will give you a very good look at ISO. You can figure focus speed will vary fairly directly with introduction year with all being faster than the A100. My experience has been that is true for screw drive A lenses, camera processing horsepower increases makes them quicker and more positive focusing.

Edited by Cliff - 07 May 2019 at 12:46
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Originally posted by Cliff Cliff wrote:

Sony made a neat little electronic viewfinder for the Nex5 bodies, FDA-EV1S. I got one along with the Nex5.
It does not work with the NEX-5, you need a NEX 5N or newer. I had/have one for my NEX F3 - lovely combination! Loved that camera with the Sigma DN 28/2.8 and Sony E 50/1.8 OSS.
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If the budget has you looking at the A57 then a new a68, a77ii, and used a99, a7 is out of the question. The real choice looks to be between the a57\a58 and a580. OVF vs EVF. That personal preferance seems to come down to if you wear glasses or not, and if you wear a hat or not.

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I see there is a used A68 body that sold on ebay for £200 ($260) recently - someone got a good deal.

I guess it's down to patience - how long can you spend waiting for a bargain?

Personally I wouldn't go E-mount - for a start it will blow your budget because of the cost of the adapter. More so if you go for one with a viewfinder, and steadyshot is out of the question budget-wise. And then, once you've got one, there is the cost of native lenses - A-mount is ideal for photographers on a budget.
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And if you're considering the Nex range, the Nex 6 has an EVF and a PASM dial the same as the A57/58 which makes the swap easier.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote wesleysa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 2019 at 14:38
Wow! Such a diverse array of recommendations! Highly indicative of a great body of knowledge on this forum.

I'd probably be in your shoes gear-wise if I had not upgraded unexpectedly from an A200 to an A850 due to a theft that left me with cash from my household insurance that I decided at the time would be better spent on camera equipment than replacing other unused electronics.

I really enjoyed the A200 but love the A850, so a used one with your glass can get my vote.

If upgrading means moving on technically for you though I'd consider the A6000. Apparently a stellar camera.
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Here's my used body history.

Used A65 + 18-55 from B&H 3/25/2015 - $370
Used A65 + 18-55 + 55-200 + 50/1.8 6/1/2016 - $400
Refurbished A68 + 18-55 from Secondipity 11/23/2017 - $410
Used A57 + 18-55 + 75-300 8/15/2018 - $240
Used A77II body only from Focus Camera 4/5/2019 - $575

Used NEX F3 + 18-55 8/15/2017 - $128
Used A6000 body only 3/19/2018 - $340

I don't like using big lenses on the A6000. The 18-55 OSS and 55-210 OSS are good. It just got a firmware update to improve AF stability. I did find the AF unreliable before the update. I haven't tried it enough yet to say if it has been improved.

The 16 MP models are very good deals. The A65 is fast but the sensor is noisier. The A68 is the opposite.

I bought the MC-11 and LA-EA3 for $150 each on sale. These are more useful on the A7II+. I got the used LA-EA4 virtually for free bundled with a used lens. The A7II works pretty well with adapted lenses. The budget FE lenses are pretty good. The most expensive one I have so far is the FE 28 F2.

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Originally posted by Phil Wood Phil Wood wrote:

I see there is a used A68 body that sold on ebay for £200 ($260) recently - someone got a good deal.

I guess it's down to patience - how long can you spend waiting for a bargain?

Personally I wouldn't go E-mount - for a start it will blow your budget because of the cost of the adapter. More so if you go for one with a viewfinder, and steadyshot is out of the question budget-wise. And then, once you've got one, there is the cost of native lenses - A-mount is ideal for photographers on a budget.


LA-EA4 is available around $250, LA-EA2 is showing up for less than that. It is a one time expense. They make A mount lenses at home on E mount cameras. No need to go native E.

More recent cameras have newer technology. Features often lead in E mount releases since at least the A7 in 2013.
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Originally posted by Cliff Cliff wrote:

Originally posted by Phil Wood Phil Wood wrote:

I see there is a used A68 body that sold on ebay for £200 ($260) recently - someone got a good deal.

I guess it's down to patience - how long can you spend waiting for a bargain?

Personally I wouldn't go E-mount - for a start it will blow your budget because of the cost of the adapter. More so if you go for one with a viewfinder, and steadyshot is out of the question budget-wise. And then, once you've got one, there is the cost of native lenses - A-mount is ideal for photographers on a budget.


LA-EA4 is available around $250, LA-EA2 is showing up for less than that. It is a one time expense. They make A mount lenses at home on E mount cameras. No need to go native E.

More recent cameras have newer technology. Features often lead in E mount releases since at least the A7 in 2013.
So, the LA-EA4 is as expensive as the A68 by itself, while the A68 has a better AF system. Apart of eye-focus, the A68 has it all. If your on a budget, the A-mount cameras are still viable.
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Apart of eye-focus, the A68 has it all. If your on a budget, the A-mount cameras are still viable.

A68 has Eye AF. It is not the most useful/effective Eye AF. The A77II and A68 also tend to focus on eyes in normal wide area AF-C. Before I got the A77II I wondered if that was something unique to the A68. My A6000 and A7II don't do that with any lens. They just focus on the closest object. There's no Eye AF with the LA-EA4 or LA-EA2.

Edited by QuietOC - 07 May 2019 at 17:31
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