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    Posted: 04 May 2013 at 20:59
Hi all,

after some talks with Kiklop and other users moderators, we thought that it could turn out useful to open a thread to discuss our video experiences with Sony cameras.
I would like to start by showing a short take I made using my A99 and a tripod. The clips were shot using moderate apertures (something in the range of f/4-f/5,6). Minor white balance correction in Sony Vegas and no sharpening or other PP work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHCzbu26E_I&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I look to hear your impressions and even suggestions on how to improve will be welcome. I plan to show further video tests with the camera as I have time to make them.

Thanks for your attention and let's learn more about this precious feature of our cameras!
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Already commented in this other thread where you posted. You've shot a nice video that looks good, but it tells us nothing about the camera's possible weaknesses. To repeat...

Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

There's nothing wrong with that IMO... but be aware of a few things:

1. Every clip was shot with shallow DOF. That makes it impossible to evaluate the ability of the camera to record detail, which is one of the main complaints about the A99 (and probably other SLTs).

2. There's no repeating pattern in any clip that would provoke moire. That makes it impossible to evaluate the camera's moire charactersistics, which is one of the main complaints about the A99 (and probably other SLTs).

3. There's no fast subject movement in any clip, which makes it impossible to evaluate the camera's temporal resolution capabilites.

4. There's no camera movement, which makes it impossible to evaluate the camera's ability to handle image stabilization and skew.

5. There's a limited range of colors and tones, which makes it impossible to evaluate the camera's performance in that area.

6. And more, if we get really picky.

So you see, although it is a very nice video record of an event, it's far from a comprehensive demonstration. I'm sure nobody will argue the fact that the A99 (or any other SLT) can and does produce very nice videos of certain types under certain conditions. The arguments arise when specific performance criteria are examined 'under stress'.
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Hi sybersitizen. I shot that video just for the pleasure I had of filming those moments. It was not meant to be a video stress test for A99. Then when in the other thread people were asking for feedback on camera video capabilities, I thought to share it. In the upcoming days, once I have more stuff, I'll try to post it so that we may see how it behaves in more critical situations.
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Okay then... how about an explanation for the exact purpose of this thread? emopunk, I don't wish to throw a damper on your enthusiasm (in the past I have bemoaned the lack of video support here myself, but have stopped doing that because it leads nowhere), but I question the value of a single thread for 'sharing video experiences'. Come on now, that could cover everything imaginable.

If you want to share your efforts such as 'Look at this nice video... do you like it?', well that's certainly fine. But if that's not your intention, and you instead hope to have informative discussions about any aspects of planning, shooting, and editing videos, I cannot believe that's going to be realized in any helpful way in one thread - no matter how good the intentions. We'll see, I guess.
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Here are some links to video's I have made.

Nature video
video 1

Open day at my school


Open day
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Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

Okay then... how about an explanation for the exact purpose of this thread? emopunk, I don't wish to throw a damper on your enthusiasm (in the past I have bemoaned the lack of video support here myself, but have stopped doing that because it leads nowhere), but I question the value of a single thread for 'sharing video experiences'. Come on now, that could cover everything imaginable.

If you want to share your efforts such as 'Look at this nice video... do you like it?', well that's certainly fine. But if that's not your intention, and you instead hope to have informative discussions about any aspects of planning, shooting, and editing videos, I cannot believe that's going to be realized in any helpful way in one thread - no matter how good the intentions. We'll see, I guess.


It's already been said in another thread that this could be a start. Kiklop even said that he's not closed to open a forum subsection if we show the interest in such topics. Therefore I invite you to eventually open other video related threads with specific topic. It seems you have the knowledge to do that. Don't know if you have the will, though.
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Originally posted by PieterB PieterB wrote:

Here are some links to video's I have made.

Nature video
video 1

Open day at my school


Open day


Hi Pieter,

just looking at your videos right now. They seem quite good. Care to share some details on gear you used and software to edit them?
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Originally posted by emopunk emopunk wrote:

Therefore I invite you to eventually open other video related threads with specific topic. It seems you have the knowledge to do that. Don't know if you have the will, though.

Because I'm pretty comfortable with my understanding of video (as it applies to Sony still cameras), I mostly just answer questions that people raise... but they need to be fairly specific. I'll fade into the background here unless such questions arise.
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Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

Originally posted by emopunk emopunk wrote:

Therefore I invite you to eventually open other video related threads with specific topic. It seems you have the knowledge to do that. Don't know if you have the will, though.

Because I'm pretty comfortable with my understanding of video (as it applies to Sony still cameras), I mostly just answer questions that people raise... but they need to be fairly specific. I'll fade into the background here unless such questions arise.


At least it's good to know you wish to help.
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Great with some video-threads :-)

Online, i just have something i made for testing some possibilities in the A77 and to learn the cam:

http://vimeo.com/33820154

http://vimeo.com/32926987

Not in HD, but downscaled

Edited by stiuskr - 04 May 2013 at 23:19
Unused stuff in stock: A700, 24-105, 28-135, FE28-70, Sony A7mk2, A100, beercan, 100-200, Sony 70-200f2.8
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Originally posted by emopunk emopunk wrote:

Hi Pieter, just looking at your videos right now. They seem quite good. Care to share some details on gear you used and software to edit them?


The nature video was taken with the A77 and two different lenses. The 16-5-/F2,8 and the Sigma 10-20.
I used a tripod for this video.

I used only the 16-50/f2,8 for the open day at school.

Both videos were edited using Powerdirector 11 which works quite easily.

Edited by stiuskr - 05 May 2013 at 13:10
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Sharing pre wedding video

http://vimeo.com/48501431
(do click HD for better quality)

3 shooters using A77.
Lenses used -
   Tokina 11-16 for ultra wide,
   Minolta 100-200 4.5,
   Sony 50 1.4,
   Sony 35 1.8,
   Tamron 28-75 2.8.

Setting used on A77 - Manual. SteadyShot for video : off. Creative style : Neutral, -3,-2,-1 for contrast,saturation and sharpness. We used this setting for better color grading in the post processing using Edius.

Other accessories used including video slider and monopod. Strictly no handheld unless the condition restrict the equipment used.



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This time lapse video was removed elsewhere so I'm posting it again.
It was made with the A77, Sigma 10-20 and Sony 16-50.
Postprocessing: Lightroom 4.2 and the excellent LR templates from this site. LR Time lapse template

Time lapse Haagse Beemden (the Netherlands)
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Originally posted by riot7 riot7 wrote:

Sharing pre wedding video

http://vimeo.com/48501431
(do click HD for better quality)

3 shooters using A77.
Lenses used -
   Tokina 11-16 for ultra wide,
   Minolta 100-200 4.5,
   Sony 50 1.4,
   Sony 35 1.8,
   Tamron 28-75 2.8.

Setting used on A77 - Manual. SteadyShot for video : off. Creative style : Neutral, -3,-2,-1 for contrast,saturation and sharpness. We used this setting for better color grading in the post processing using Edius.

Other accessories used including video slider and monopod. Strictly no handheld unless the condition restrict the equipment used.



I noticed the into the sun shot, it was completely flair free. Which lens did you use for that shot?
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