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As good as the old cz 135 is the new 135 gm is quite possibly the best lens on the planet right now. Highly recommended to get the gm version even at its high price tag
 



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Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:


So comparing to competition the support provided by Sony is sub-optimal and not as competitive. I can see this losing them some customers.

Interesting thought, which competition has "Real Time AF" (or something with similar performance)on their native lenses, or on their old DSLR lenses when adapted to mirrorless?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote nandbytes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 December 2019 at 18:39
Originally posted by EddyH EddyH wrote:


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Post Options Post Options   Quote AudioDoc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 December 2019 at 19:43
I don't know about markets other than the North American, but Sony here is gaining customers, not losing and not because of the A mount! Don't know about the support issue, but performance wise I think Sony has an edge. And the customers of other manufactures that have changed mounts with mirror-less are likely going to be having some of the same gripes that A mount customers have.

At the Sony Be Alpha event earlier in the year I was surprised at the turnout. Never had anything like that with A mount. There was a ton of Sony cameras and lenses to try out, none of them A mount. I was probably the only one to mention A mount to the Sony rep.
I did the Nevada Northern Railroad Winter Steam Spectacluar in 2016. I was there with my A99 and lenses. I was the only Alpha shooter there. (There was one poor guy there with a Samsung Kit), the rest Canon and Nikon -- Ok there was one fellow with a Sigma camera and kit).

I attended the same event this year in February (You've likely seen some of my photos). This time half of the about 40 there for the event, were shooting Alpha, all FE mount, even me! Sony is kicking butt and the others are struggling to keep up. Why would Sony worry about making a LA-EAX? I do hope they produce new camera bodies down the road for A mount with improved performance for A mount users.

I know some of you are old-timers like me and remember Minolta switching from the SR mount Manual Focus system to the Maxxum AF system and MF users were were upset that they being abandoned. Minolta did continue to sell the X700 and some lenses for a time. Who is worried about that now? Took Canon and Nikon a couple years to catch up. Canon MF FD mount users were just as upset with the change to EF mount and AF system. Are any FD mount users remembering that now?

Point is down the road, few will remember this issue of an abandoned A mount and same will likely be the case for the Canon EF mount and maybe Nikon's mount (If they are even still around).

Sadly, this is the way it goes with technology. Great products go away, sometimes they are superior, sometimes not. Sony has a lot of experience with that. I don't think many are morning the loss of the El-cassett, Beta Max, Super Audio CD, Laser Disc and many more. (Philips was involved with the development of the CD and Laserdisc along with Sony and Pioneer).

Just my 2 cents. Right now if you want some the mentioned performance advantages of the E mount your are going to have switch to E mount, otherwise be happy with the very good performance that you already have with A mount.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote EddyH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 December 2019 at 20:14
Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

Originally posted by EddyH EddyH wrote:


PS: if someone wants to make a better (and reasonable) offer, please PM me.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Cliff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 December 2019 at 20:54
In addition to the engineering investment in FE Sony has made, some of their success came from a loyal bunch of us users who rode in along with Minolta. We were not enough to crack the DSLR market, but we did keep the brand knocking along until Sony stumbled over FE with the A7 as a last gasp kludge on E mount. To their credit they saw the potential, went gangbusters on R and D after that, and have subsequently changed the camera world.

As discussed previously, making an LA-EA5 is a marketing decision, not a technical one. There almost have to be engineering samples kicking around in their labs. Sony could show us legacy old farts a little love and respect for our long term support by releasing the adapter.

Here's another thought, Sony might complete the Alpha convergence by making all the bodies native E mount and bundling an LA-EA5 adapter with the A mount option. That would reduce the number of product and assembly lines while making all the latest and greatest technology available to all users. A777, A888 and A999.

The Canon and Nikon to E adapters are getting better and provide those users a migration path that allows them to easily move to Sony bodies while continuing to use their legacy glass. Convergence is the path for Sony to achieve their goal of becoming number 1 in the upper end camera business, and that starts at home.

A hallmark of the computer industry has long been backward compatibility and cross platform functionality. Even Microsoft will still let you exit to a DOS prompt from Windows. Sony has nearly completed the evolution of cameras from mechanical devices to electronic. In their next iteration Sony could make money by turning their bodies into the defacto industry standard by using cross platform lens adapters.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote AudioDoc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 December 2019 at 21:21
Cliff,

Years ago some kind of hybrid A/E moount camera was rumored. Perhaps what you mentioned, E mount camera with LA-EAX adaptor is what A mount users might wind up with. I think it would need the articulating screen and a bit larger body like the A99/A99II.

Hope all is well in Richmond. Last time I spoke with my sister in Richmond it was snowing! Good Lord, what is the world coming to! Snow in Richmond?

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Hi Kelly, We had a dusting a couple of weeks ago, it was just about enough to call snow. It's cold (for us anyway) now, last night it was 16F. I'm still out gigging, been using little column arrays for the last couple of years. The technology is as impressive as Sony's. They beat the inverse square law, don't feedback, eliminate monitors, sound good and cost like an A7iii body. I'd give away my old PA setup if I could find someone to take it. Hope all's well with you.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote standfest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 September 2020 at 13:37
Here you go :)

https://www.sony.com/electronics/converters-mount-adapters/la-ea5

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Post Options Post Options   Quote EddyH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 September 2020 at 19:03
Originally posted by standfest standfest wrote:

Here you go :)

Yes, I saw the announcement. But it's a bit late... I guess many A7/A9 owners have updated their A-mount lenses to E-mount. At least I did.

I wonder which lens/camera combinations will be compatible. The full compatibility list is not available yet.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Cliff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 September 2020 at 07:31
So here we go. With the LA-EA5 Sony can now introduce new large body native E mount successors to A99ii and A77. That supports A mount users with new technology (and a choice of body sizes). It gives Sony a product line to lure CanNikon users who like big bodies, and with CaNikon to E mount adapters they can keep their glass to make the transition easy.

It amortizes Sony's R&D costs over an additional line of cameras without incurring extra expense (any native E technology that will shoehorn into a 6xxx/A7x/A9x body is an easy drop in for an A77/A99 size box). It's a win win win.

Sony is well on the way to owning the high end photography business. Those places where A mount products have been withdrawn will likely soon see a new large body E mount and LA-EA5. What took you so long Sony?

I had vowed not to buy a new camera until Sony released something like the LA-EA5. Now I may be ready. A mount lives.

Well, put it all on hold until Sony announces firmware updates for my current cameras. Having the xamn thing not auto focus something as simple as a 50mm f1.7 on my A7ii or A6500 sucks. WTF? Has Sony started employing Nikon marketers? Where's the engineers?

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Don't get too flustered about compatibility tables. According to Sony the 1.4x TC is compatible with the 100-400 GM only, but miraculously it works just as well on the 200-600 G. So I expect LA-EA5 AF will work on old Minolta glass, but perhaps not with all the bells and whistles.

Sony states:
The LA-EA5 supports all A-mount lenses, including models such as the Sonnar T* 135 mm F1.8 ZA and Planar T* 85 mm F1.4 ZA that do not have internal motors. Full support is provided for focal plane phase-detection AF, Real-time Eye AF (human & animal), Real-time Tracking, and continuous AF/AE tracking at up to 11 frames per second.

That's good enough for me....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Kilkry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 September 2020 at 10:34
Originally posted by Cliff Cliff wrote:



Well, put it all on hold until Sony announces firmware updates for my current cameras. Having the xamn thing not auto focus something as simple as a 50mm f1.7 on my A7ii or A6500 sucks. WTF? Has Sony started employing Nikon marketers? Where's the engineers?


Not making fiscal decisions :)

I could see Sony updating the fw of the gen III cameras, like the A7iii, A6400, a7riii. Would hardly count on it though since this adapter in itself seems like a bit of a miracle and I mean that in a positive way.

If the slight lag of the LA-EA4 and 3 persists in the LA-EA5 however the list of supported cameras for screw drive A mount lenses may remain very short for all I care.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote lonewolf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 September 2020 at 14:14
Originally posted by Snegren Snegren wrote:

Don't get too flustered about compatibility tables. According to Sony the 1.4x TC is compatible with the 100-400 GM only, but miraculously it works just as well on the 200-600 G. So I expect LA-EA5 AF will work on old Minolta glass, but perhaps not with all the bells and whistles.

Sony states:
The LA-EA5 supports all A-mount lenses, including models such as the Sonnar T* 135 mm F1.8 ZA and Planar T* 85 mm F1.4 ZA that do not have internal motors. Full support is provided for focal plane phase-detection AF, Real-time Eye AF (human & animal), Real-time Tracking, and continuous AF/AE tracking at up to 11 frames per second.

That's good enough for me....


Yep sounds pretty good if you have an a7r4 or a6600
Fingers crossed the rest of the recent bodies get a firmware update the same
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