FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

What you would correct in this photo?

Page  123>
Author
CuriousOne View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 10 September 2012
Country: Georgia
Location: home
Status: Offline
Posts: 642
Post Options Post Options   Quote CuriousOne Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: What you would correct in this photo?
    Posted: 29 July 2013 at 19:27
Hello.

Hope I read & understood everything in this sub-forum rules :)

Below is the image, which I generally like, but I got the feeling that something is missing there:



Uploaded with ImageShack.us

The major flaw I see is partially lit background. As I can guess, this is due to improperly aligned softbox and models too close to background.

The image overall looks a bit warm, but this was planned initially. As skin tones of both girls differed quite noticeably (the front one is of slavic origins, rear one is latino-indian), I don't wanted this difference to be that noticeable, so I've used CTO Gel on strobes to give sun tan look to both and conceal tonal differences.

The scene was lit using two 24 inch softboxes, one at the left, 2nd on the bottom right. I know, that light from bottom is not a good idea, but otherwise, shadows from the chin would be very noticeable and since I had no assistant who can hold reflector from the below, I had to lower the right softbox.

I see also some errors in framing, hairs being cut on the rightmost girl.

What other errors you see and what remarks you have?

Thank you in advance.
 



Back to Top
Iestrada View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie

Joined: 20 July 2013
Country: United States
Location: Cedarburg, WI
Status: Offline
Posts: 29
Post Options Post Options   Quote Iestrada Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 July 2013 at 19:42
It is a bit too warm for me. All else work well. If you shot it in raw you could play with the white balance until you get something you like. Desaturating a bit might do the trick. It could also make a great black and white.

Hope it helps!
Back to Top
berlin steve View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 08 April 2009
Country: United Kingdom
Location: Berlin, Germany
Status: Offline
Posts: 1583
Post Options Post Options   Quote berlin steve Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 July 2013 at 19:46
1) you could īflattenīthe background in post processing. So that point you already raised can be fixed fairly easily.

2) the facial expressions donīt quite work together. The girl at the back seems comfortable with the shot. The one at the front looks like she is fed up, and wishes youīd hurry up so she can do something else.

Maybe that is not how it was- but that is how it looks to me.

3) The necklace on girl in front is cut off. This is distracting as it serves little use an accessory with that shot/angle. It might work on other shots though.

I actually like the shot/pose otherwise. I donīt even mind the colours. But you asked what we would correct- and that would be my suggestion.

F-Stop? F-Stopped! Anyone know how to get it going again???My Flickr
Back to Top
Benoni View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 16 December 2008
Country: United Kingdom
Location: Scotland
Status: Offline
Posts: 571
Post Options Post Options   Quote Benoni Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 July 2013 at 19:49
Skin tones look too unnatural to me. I think I would also crop away some of the background.
Back to Top
Lesuave View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 27 December 2007
Country: Guadeloupe
Location: Caribbean
Status: Offline
Posts: 439
Post Options Post Options   Quote Lesuave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 July 2013 at 20:03
Allow me this suggestion (improvements during the shooting):

The front girl's eyes are out of focus. She also should tilt her head a little bit backward.
The rear one has a too bright spot on her nose (same thing for her hand but less important). I guess she was closer to the softbox than the front girl. Black tones are clipped on the right side of her hair.
The CTO cast make them look as they underwent a carrot juice overdosis.
Try with a colder WB, tungsten setting should fit. Or try B&W maybe ?
If you want to make the skin tones kinda even, give more light to the girl with the tan skin or less light to the other girl.
The front one can hold a reflector since her hands don't appear in the frame.
Both girls are pretty and their posing is nice. I'm sure that pretty soon, you will post an awesome shot after having found a correct lighting setup.

Edited by Lesuave - 29 July 2013 at 20:26
Back to Top
sybersitizen View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 04 August 2006
Country: United States
Location: California
Status: Offline
Posts: 14299
Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 July 2013 at 20:07
Unfortunately, I don't think I like the placement of the lights... and that's something that can't be corrected. Other things that could be corrected are too much saturation and too much background (IMO, of course).
 



Back to Top
CuriousOne View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 10 September 2012
Country: Georgia
Location: home
Status: Offline
Posts: 642
Post Options Post Options   Quote CuriousOne Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 July 2013 at 20:32
Thanks everyone for great comments!

The requirement is not to "fix" this current photo, I just want your opinion to what to avoid next time, to not repeat the same errors as in this shot.

For the facial expression, berlin steve is right, the front girl had some troubles with her BF in the morning, so she really was out of mood. The rear one looks much more relaxed and she's generally more open and life enjoying person in life. It also should be noted, that none of them are professional models or have any posing experience (besides in front of the mirror with iphone), so this was their first try, too.

For the color cast, I have the original RAW file and can upload it, if anyone minds editing/fixing.

Back to Top
Basil View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 03 December 2009
Country: United States
Location: Minnesota
Status: Offline
Posts: 2484
Post Options Post Options   Quote Basil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 July 2013 at 20:41
I get what you are doing with the color. It actually works for me. What I find distracting is the front model's eyes (not sharp) and her nose (not defined). A slight tilt of the head sideways and a smaller f-stop would fix these. There is also just a few stray strands of hair on the left side of her face that seem out of place. I personally think it would look better if it were tucked behind her shoulder.
To see is to enjoy. To see beyond is to rejoice.

A77Mark II; A850; A700; A100; NEX 6; various film bodies and an ever-changing collection of lenses
Back to Top
sybersitizen View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 04 August 2006
Country: United States
Location: California
Status: Offline
Posts: 14299
Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 July 2013 at 20:44
Originally posted by CuriousOne CuriousOne wrote:

For the facial expression, berlin steve is right, the front girl had some troubles with her BF in the morning, so she really was out of mood. The rear one looks much more relaxed and she's generally more open and life enjoying person in life.

Funny... I personally find the front girl's expression more interesting and compelling.
Back to Top
Gary C View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie

Joined: 29 June 2013
Country: United States
Location: Washington
Status: Offline
Posts: 121
Post Options Post Options   Quote Gary C Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 July 2013 at 21:00
Syber, I do, too, and I wish her head had been lifted up a bit, like you said earlier. I wish the ladies had been more to the left, but not centered. I think there's too much black and it draws away from them.

I haven't started with studio lighting yet, so I'm not even going to go into lighting placement, but I wonder if a different backdrop, maybe a slate blue or something with grey in it, instead of full black might have helped somewhat. Even a flash with a blue gel over it. I'm not sure, but some of that black has to go.

I agree with the necklace either disappearing, or being fully shown (which may not be a possibility with these models. The few bits of falling hair on the front model don't bother me at all, it gives it a more natural feeling, at least to me.

As to the skin tones, that is your call, but I think that you overdid the coloration on it. I wouldn't have minded seeing a bit of difference.

I haven't done this yet, so I'm not in a position to comment on it from the POV of any usable experience. So, take what I say with a grain of salt.

Gary
Back to Top
Dr. Harout View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 11 October 2006
Country: Armenia
Location: Yerevan
Status: Offline
Posts: 1980
Post Options Post Options   Quote Dr. Harout Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 July 2013 at 21:07
I agree with B&W conversion.
a7riv + Sony, Zeiss, Rodenstock, M42 and Schneider lenses
Flickr
Back to Top
Lesuave View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 27 December 2007
Country: Guadeloupe
Location: Caribbean
Status: Offline
Posts: 439
Post Options Post Options   Quote Lesuave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 July 2013 at 21:52
@CuriousOne: which lens/aperture did you use ?
Back to Top
CuriousOne View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 10 September 2012
Country: Georgia
Location: home
Status: Offline
Posts: 642
Post Options Post Options   Quote CuriousOne Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 July 2013 at 22:02
Regarding the other tones, I've tried to use green/blue/cyan, etc. gels. They worked amazingly nice on rear girls skin (giving her very oriental look), but absolutelly dull on front one's skin.

The necklace is another funny story. As she's orthodox christian, she got her cross on it, and said that it's removal is only allowed in very special ocassion, and photo shoot is not definetly that special one.

The lens used was Tamron 17-55/F2.8, set to 67mm in 35mm equivalent and aperture was set to 5.6 or 8, I don't remember exactly (Exif says 2.8, which can't be true considering visible DOF).
Back to Top
Minoltista View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 18 August 2008
Country: Italy
Status: Offline
Posts: 1695
Post Options Post Options   Quote Minoltista Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 July 2013 at 22:24
Square format

Ciao,
MP
I was, I'm, I'll be Minolta user!
------------------------------
Zenfolio Photos
Back to Top
Dyxum main page >  Forum Home > Dyxum Photographs > Dyxum Critics Corner Page  123>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.062 seconds.

Monitor calibration strip

Dyxum.com - Home of the alpha system photographer

In memory of Cameron Hill - brettania

Feel free to contact us if needed.