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Antwerp: been there as a child, so it is new for me.
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Originally posted by Fred_S Fred_S wrote:

Another thought: Is Antwerp a given? I can do that, but could eg. Blijdorp in Rotterdam be an option too? This might be a bit more centrally located depending on the participants of course.
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I've now created a dedicated thread for a november 13 meeting in the Antwerp Zoo/Antwerp Central Railway Station

Sorry that it is not more central, but still relatively close (~50 km) to the middle of the Benelux
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Originally posted by darosa darosa wrote:

And when are we going to use these beauties? Can we decide on a week/date?
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Any Bruxellois, Bruxelloise, Brusselaar, Brusselse, Brüsseleer, or just folk from Brussels who could provide some info on living in the city?

I'm considering a position there, but especially with the uncertainty due to COVID, I want to do more research before moving 16600 km from home.

If you can help, please drop a note in my Inbox. Thanks.
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I was checking out the Cities: Brussels, Belgium thread. If things work out maybe I'll be able to explore the area some day.
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I have been working in several cities in 25 countries, among them also 4 different customers in Bruxelles. Among a scale of cities which I enjoyed least (1) to most (10) Bruxelles came out with (2 - 3).

Always traffic jam, always parking problems. It also depends in what neughbourhood you are supposed to be. If I rank each neighbourhood separately, Bruxelles came out (1) - (4).

To give more background on my ranking some other cities I have worked at for at least a month:
Paris (7-8), Prag (8-9), Munich (8-9), Nuremberg (9-10), Vienna (8-9), Helsinki (8-9), Stockholm (7-8), Copenhagen (6-7), Hamburg (6-7), Frankfurt (5-6), Lisbon (7-8), Athens (5-6), Rome(7-8), Zurich (8-9), Milwaukee (6-7), Detroit (4-5), San Francisco (8-9), San Diego (7-8), Accra (6-7), Seoul (7-8), Oslo (6-7), Berlin (7-8), Turin (7-8), Salzburg (7-8).
I excluded Dutch cities in the comparison, but I preferred all of them over Bruxelles (as a Dutch citizen I would be biased).

If you just go to make pictures, it is definitely worthwhile (comparable with Melbourne) , but only for a few weeks. (My 2ct)

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TOTALLY OT!   
@adhox aka Adam
missed your Q at 1st, bluish grey / greyish blue doesn't make it stand out, and thought: 'what on e. is overeema / Arnold talking about?'

of course I can't advice you, (as none of us can for that matter. or should), what is good for you, feels good? I've never been to Australia, but can promise you it will be beyond comparison. just wanted to add that, since Belgium is bilingual, Brussels is also known as Brussel in dutch/flemish. and Bruxelles in french. for the record, perhaps this could increase the number of hits when using a search engine? did you consider moving this question to open talk? reckon Pieter has seen this, who will be able to provide you with lots of info. and assume you've seen member braisim's posts? a Brit, who lives in Brussels.

my 1/2 cent- (in case you happen to be a beach boy ;) the Belgian coast is approx. 100 kilometers away. THX to the project developers it's ruined, locals call it 'the concrete wall' -and therefore now invade our beaches, in the south of Holland, close to the Belgian border- ).
and found 'this':
https://www.expatica.com/be/living/integration/expats-in-brussels-1663004/

suppose you know there is a Belgian Australian Society?
http://australiansocietyinbelgium.blogspot.com/

https://australiannetwork.be/

obviously you wouldn't have to be lonely?
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in case you had not found them yet, hope this helps?
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Hi there, I am a resident of Brussels and would be glad to provide some insights on living here. A UK national, now with Belgian nationality too, I've been here over 20 years and can say that it is a fantastic city to live and work in. Obviously it depends a lot on your circumstances. I am here with my wife and three children. My experience is that for families it is great. I could obviously talk about this for a long time but without knowing a bit more about your situation it is is a bit useless to distil this insight into a few lines on a forum. There is more to Brussels than problems with parking or traffic jams! Feel free to respond if you'd prefer to talk directly, by zoom or whatever.
I also have to respond to the comment about Belgians 'invading' Zeeland. I think it is only fair to point out that the 'invasion' in recent weeks has been entirely in the other direction! Bruges, Ghent, Antwerp and surrounding areas have been full of Dutch people escaping the severe Dutch COVID restrictions. I have no problem with that and make no criticism, but some balance and recognition that things like this are normal with two close neighbours would be a good thing.
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Originally posted by braisim braisim wrote:

I also have to respond to the comment about Belgians 'invading' Zeeland. I think it is only fair to point out that the 'invasion' in recent weeks has been entirely in the other direction! Bruges, Ghent, Antwerp and surrounding areas have been full of Dutch people escaping the severe Dutch COVID restrictions. I have no problem with that and make no criticism, but some balance and recognition that things like this are normal with two close neighbours would be a good thing.

hi Simon, lovely to 'see' you! (been a while?).
seen them on the news! masses of dutch invading Antwerp, to shop, shop, .... (until they drop?). insane i.e. can't wrap my mind around it either. and during the early days of corona it was the other way 'round. (in Zeeuws-Vlaanderen/'Zeeland-Flanders', when the Belgian pubs and restaurants were closed). (and the dutch were not allowed to cross the border to get much cheaper gasoline).   

ooops... NO OFFENSE?!!! but it's a fact that what seemed to be a 'german colony' in summer, is also becoming a true 'belgian colony' nowadays. as far as I'm concerned, they are very welcome, as are the germans! (for some undefined reason often addressing me, saying this 'concrete wall' is the reason they came to Zeeland, no longer enjoying the Belgian coast).
if you sensed some criticism, you are right, but it all goes to the project developers, a constant threat, who we try to fight, who ruined the Belgian coast and are trying to ruin our coast as well. and, with the coastal pact now valid, trying to take over the borders of the lakes, more inland shores, as well. anything they can get their claws on...
(often with consent, but even the municipalities of Zeeland are forced -to try- to stop megalomanic plans through court! -for instance 4 massive artificial islands -dutch- in the Veere lake, packed with holiday homes, a few years back and recently the build of the largest hotel of Zeeland in Biggekerke -dutch- (on Walcheren).- I for one take it very personally i.e. it really hurts to loose all that is dear to us.
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Hi there @angora
No need to worry, absolutely no offence caused! I think you're right, it always used to be only Germans visiting Zeeland but in the time I've been visiting it is definitely becoming more popular among Belgians, this is especially true for Zeeuwse Vlaanderen, on 'our' side of the water...
Indeed the Dutch have done very well to preserve the coast, in contrast to Belgium. It would indeed be a shame to see that change.
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(since I seem to have a talent to say things that are often interpreted differently ) what I meant was that, although in Belgium the coast is never far away, a good thing?- it's no longer as nice and attractive as it used to be. (as said- THX to the developers. they are done developing!).
changes are so dramatic that people rather go abroad than spent their holidays at the Belgian coast. which doesn't mean that a daytrip to Knokke or ? couldn't be enjoyable? but a lot has changed. just saying?
(as I child I truly enjoyed the Belgian coast, where you could rent go-carts -still!- and all kinds of weird, wobbly, hilarious vehicles for kids, to drive along the boulevards. and also for foodies, Belgium is the place to be!?).

but there is so much more to Belgium than the big city... I for one adore the Ardennes, def. worth checking it out, esp. when into hiking or rafting.
you'd be rather close to Namen aka Namur for starters?
but also the dutch / french / Luxembourg border, no particular order, is not very far away...

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Originally posted by braisim braisim wrote:

Hi there @angora
No need to worry, absolutely no offence caused! I think you're right, it always used to be only Germans visiting Zeeland but in the time I've been visiting it is definitely becoming more popular among Belgians, this is especially true for Zeeuwse Vlaanderen, on 'our' side of the water...
Indeed the Dutch have done very well to preserve the coast, in contrast to Belgium. It would indeed be a shame to see that change.

THX Simon! (and sorry I couldn't come up with your name in a previous post). also on the other side... but they usually stay longer.
we have a coastal pact now, but preservation seems to be a thing of times long gone. just not completely ruined ...yet.
as for Zeeuws-Vlaanderen... seen Cadzand lately? even Breskens...   
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Well we do have some nice places near Cadzand - the nature reserve het Zwin - the protected are near Raversijde (with bunkers for Pieter!) - and the very intresting nature reserve at the belgian Sahara (near De Panne) & the Hoge Blekker in Koksijde.
It's sad that they still are taking away the intresting parts on the coastal line though - they should restore that and the dunes! Anyway the problem will solve itself when the sea levels rise isn't that fun!
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Originally posted by minolta_mutley minolta_mutley wrote:

Well we do have some nice places near Cadzand - the nature reserve het Zwin - the protected are near Raversijde (with bunkers for Pieter!) - and the very intresting nature reserve at the belgian Sahara (near De Panne) & the Hoge Blekker in Koksijde.
It's sad that they still are taking away the intresting parts on the coastal line though - they should restore that and the dunes! Anyway the problem will solve itself when the sea levels rise isn't that fun!

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THX Ivo! as you said- nature reserves / protected areas, which says it all? -all but 1 in Belgium ;) -
(not funny, Ivo! -to someone living in the -much lower- afvoerputje/'drain' of our village ;) - )

Cadzand, a.o.- the p.developers are ruining a once lovely place with their monstrous down right ugly projects, but the tourists as well, a classic within the province!    
+ investors or just anyone with enormous sums of money, able to afford a 2nd home, for themselves or to turn into a holiday let.
Cadzand-dorp/-village, (there is also Cadzand-Bad/-'bath'), became a ghost town in winter long ago. the entire area about to follow, to become 1 big holiday resort with hardly any local residents left. thus no more schools, no more (food) stores /supermarkets, nor local clubs and so on.
because even small old houses in the village(s) are nowadays unaffordable for locals, prices are going through the roof!! (which is a massive understatement!).

tourists in the sense of 'guests' is a definition no longer valid. investors claiming, taking over West-Zeeuws-Vlaanderen, villagers chased off in the entire region and really, really worried indeed!
in dutch:
https://www.pzc.nl/zeeuws-vlaanderen/tweede-woningen-blijven-toegestaan-in-sluis-ondanks-vrees-dat-kustregio-een-groot-vakantiedorp-wordt~a5fb6592/
https://www.pzc.nl/zeeuws-nieuws/toeristische-verhuur-splijtzwam-in-west-zeeuws-vlaanderen-in-de-winter-is-nieuwvliet-een-spookdorp~a90c5a31/
https://www.facebook.com/BreskensinBalans/
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ghost town Cadzand on national tv last week:
https://tvblik.nl/pointer/30-januari-2022



@adhox, hellooo? ;)
in general- the magnificent medieval / gothic architecture is unique in Europe afaik. (apart from the UK, a long swim).
for instance Antwerp - Brussels - Brugge - Gent - Leuven and see: Dyxum?
(we happen to have medieval / gothic architecture in Holland as well, but mostly stand-alones, remains).
for what it's worth? for 'real', profound info you'd need someone from Belgium of course!
not everywhere though, not entirely wonderland, Belgium is known for all types of 'architecture'. and won't scare you off with stories about cobbled roads.
are they still there?
(haven't been to Belgium in such a long time but often dream about the fast flowing streams and icy water, small waterfalls and rocks of the Ardennes. seriously. day dream cravings for king-size Belgian chips/french fries + fat, slightly sour, Belgian mayonnaise).

Belgium is also THE place to be for beer lovers!

lastly- you would be surrounded by 'Europe'. (forgot to mention neighbour Germany in a previous post ).
'normally' (in pre-corona times) easy to visit. every country with its own characteristics, all very, very different?
many very appealing. easy access to the UK from Belgium.
(if I had to name my fave destinations- it w/b Italy, but France as well. fallen in love with Ireland -most of all the west-,
but also with -pre-mass tourism- Greece. gorgeous scenery and architecture within the UK, but also in parts of Germany,
Ardennes are lovely, love Portugal and so on... and on, each in its own right? at quite some distance from Iceland,
Lapland, but doable? and have you seen Svjetlana's posts?
if you have kids -and loads of money ;)- a Disneyland near Paris. you'd be 264 kilometers from Paris).
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