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Post Options Post Options   Quote stiuskr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 February 2016 at 04:47
Originally posted by Cliff Cliff wrote:

...Short take is that Win 7 & 8 users are pretty much staying put with more than 50% running Win 7...


That number is about to change if MS has their way. If your 'puter is set up for automatic updates (mine was, not now) MS has changed Win10 from an Optional Update (which you decide to download and install or not) to a Recommended Update which will install Win10 without you knowing if you have automatic updates enabled, I just now changed mine to Check for updates only which will not download unless told to.

http://lifehacker.com/windows-10-is-now-a-recommended-update-thats-automati-1756691457?utm_campaign=socialflow_lifehacker_facebook&utm_source=lifehacker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

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Post Options Post Options   Quote neilt3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 February 2016 at 16:18
My laptop was updated to W10 and my desktop is still on XP ( not an issue as it's rarely connected up to the internet .
I'm about to revert my laptop back to W7 , and upgrade my desktop to W7 .
Sick of the bugs and poor UI of W10 .
That and it keeps crashing , blue screen with "bad pool header" or something coming up .
Never had any problem with W7 .
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Post Options Post Options   Quote AudioDoc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 February 2016 at 16:39
From the feedback that I've received from others, the bugs/crashing that I've heard about are the result of driver compatibility. My sister had those issues with her Dell desktop uprading to Win 10 from 7. Dell told her that they didn't have some updated rivers for Win 10 and that she had to rollback to Win 7.

Personaly with my two desktop computers, and my wife's Sony Vaio laptop I've not had any issues and personally find Win 10 an improvement, especially in speed. On the Vaio, I found Win 7 to be clunky and hard to navigate sometimes, but that may have been caused by some of the Vaio Kludges. On my own laptop, I have no issues with any updates -- with OS 10.   
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ricardovaste Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 February 2016 at 16:55
My Win7 laptop was bought in Aug 2012, so ain't new, but copes perfectly fine with Win10. The UI is actually better for multi tasking for me, with having more flexibility with apps (for example, calendar synced to google, mail notifications) actually helps me work. I've had it installed a few weeks now and have no issues with it at all after the initial break in period - which with me, was just a whole host of updates (normal) and high disk usage (common, unknown, maybe have just been scans).

If you're running WinXP I'm guessing the original system might be aging a little now and so might not be able to run so happily with Win10. If it were me, I'd just stick with what works, be that XP, Win7 - both of which were used very happily by myself for many years.

I'm interested in how Win10 will be for security. Both XP and Win7 have virus attacks of various kinds which stole hours out of my life. Last year I upgraded RAM & installed an SSD, which was like having a new laptop. But when it does eventually come time to upgrade (when it doesn't work well enough), I think I'll probably consider a Mac carefully.
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It's been more than a month since I upgraded, so I can't easily go back to 7 or 8, although not impossible(see the Microsoft blurb below). I find the most annoying thing about 10 is the constant distracting adverts and permissions with each app. I have therefore abandoned the App Store altogether.

I don't trust the privacy side of things (but I think thats prob true of the alternatives now).Never use Edge as my browser. Try cleaning Microsoft Cache with the otherwise excellent CCleaner, it skips it! Yes, I know about alternative browsers, but when you go to clean, it seems MS and Edge are still running background processes. CC are apparantly working on a fix.

I would prefer to use Linux, but don't think I can stomach the learning curve or unfamiliarity.



"If itís been less than a month since you upgraded to Windows 10, you can go back to your previous version of Windows by going to Settings > Update & security > Recovery and selecting either Go back to Windows 7 or Go back to Windows 8.1. This wonít affect your personal files, but it will remove any apps that you installed after the upgrade to Windows 10".
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Post Options Post Options   Quote AudioDoc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 February 2016 at 17:50
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Security is no doubt much better with Win 10. I've additionally used Malwarebytes Pro for a long time. I've added Norton Security on my wife's laptop but not on my desktops, because I'm more careful about where I go with my computer and what I click on. My employer was having trouble with his Win XP computer and someone advised him to uninstall Malwarebytes which fixed his problem but a couple days later, boom! He got hit with the ramsomeware! I guess you are familiar with that one! Windows defender in Win 8 and Win 10 is much better than having no virus protection! I guess it is personal preference but I prefer the interface and navigation with Win 10 over all previous versions and over my Macbook OS-X But many here are very cognizant of Google and MS privacy issues. Personally I am not. In this day and age there isn't much privacy anyway. And nothing is free (all the free google services). We pay one way or another.
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Hmm, I haven't noticed so much of those things, but I've never used Edge, and didn't use IE unless I had to. Also never use the app store. I also use CClearner (Crap Cleaner). Since I don't use Edge I never noticed it not cleaning up after Edge, but I'm pretty sure that it was cleaning after IE. I highly recomend CCleaner for those who may not be familiar with it.

My most used applications in Win 10 are: Lightroom, On1 Photo 10, Chrome Launcher, CCleaner, Roboform, Evernote, Adobe reader,Quicken 2015, iTunes, Legacy Family Tree 8.0 and recently added MS Outook (Office 365). Malwarebytes Pro runs in the background
No Issues with any of them in Win 10. I do get notices from Outlook when mail arrives and a few popups from CCleaner and Roboform when updates are available or time to run Ccleaner to save space. Those things don't bother me.

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Originally posted by ctrclckws ctrclckws wrote:

I was happy with win 10 after upgrading from win 8.1, then I started getting messages about unable to start the group policy service, whatever that does.
Then it lost the start menu items.

Now, the only thing that helps is an inplace reinstall of Windows 10.
The start menu is still empty. But I have shortcuts on screen for the things I use the most.

All of this started after one of the forced updates.


I got that bug too, but the January updates fixed it
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My intention has been to eschew Win10 and leave my three Win7 machines as they are - and that has not changed (yet). However, our fourth one, my daughter's Win7 netbook, suffered some kind of disaster involving both a malware infection and some widespread file corruption. After painstaking file recovery maneuvers, a drive replacement, and restoration of the system from a nearly two-month-old complete image backup, I was able to recover nearly all of her personal files, address nearly all of the functional issues, and get the machine back to a stable operating condition. However, the system was left in state where Windows Updates no longer would run at all. My choice was to either leave the computer with an OS which can't be updated going forward or give Win10 a try. I opted for the latter because I can easily revert to the repaired Win7 image, which I also saved.

I performed the upgrade using the USB drive installation option. The upgrade went without incident and everything appears stable; the major applications and functions I've tested so far are working ... but one thing that was taken away was the Avast AV software, which apparently was deemed incompatible with Win10.

I know I can install the current version of Avast for Win10 - but here's the question: Until then, is Windows Defender really defending the system? Do knowledgeable Win10 users rely on it for AV protection - or for anything? I have essentially ignored it in Win7.
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Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:



I know I can install the current version of Avast for Win10 - but here's the question: Until then, is Windows Defender really defending the system? Do knowledgeable Win10 users rely on it for AV protection - or for anything? I have essentially ignored it in Win7.


I have been using Windows Defender since the Vista days and I always found it to be a decent tool - it does what it needs to but most importantly it does not eat up computer resources like some big bloated antivirus programs, which especially matters with lower end machines and it is out of user's way most of the time.

I learned not to depend entirely only on one antivirus program so once every two weeks or so I scan my computers with online scanners such as Kaspersky and others.

Smart habits when it comes to browsing internet and downloading files go a long way and matter much more than even the best antivirus. I have seen clean computers that never had antivirus and infected machines that had the newest antivirus software upgraded to latest version.

If you plan on running Avast (which itself is pretty good but I don't like how it became bloated over time and has a lot of unnecessary features) make sure you remove or disable Windows Defender as running two or more antivirus programs side by side is not advisable.   
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I have two almost identical HP laptops. One runs Win 10 plus Avast; the other Win 10 with Defender. They both function perfectly well.

What I can't testify to is their relative resilience against attack. Avast has occasionally raised it's hackles in response to particular websites - Defender has not, but I'm not sure there was a real problem.

My main desktop PC runs Win 10 plus Avast. It works fine.
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Originally posted by marcin.warmuz marcin.warmuz wrote:

If you plan on running Avast (which itself is pretty good but I don't like how it became bloated over time and has a lot of unnecessary features) make sure you remove or disable Windows Defender as running two or more antivirus programs side by side is not advisable.

Win10 documentation says Defender turns itself off whenever another AV product is present and back on again if there is none.

But yes, I have had to disable some of Avast's overreaching features in Win7. I once allowed its Browser Cleanup to take action when it identified Adobe Contribute (which I don't use anyway) as a risky browser add-on. The resulting action made a mess of several programs in my Creative Suite Master Collection, forcing me to reinstall the entire package. I'll never trust Browser Cleanup again. I removed that and some other questionable Avast 'services' from all my computers.

I might try to find something that's not as silent and limited as Defender, yet not as noisy and aggressive as Avast.
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IanL, thanks for the input. Reviews suggest that Defender is not a frontrunner in identifying all threats, but is generally 'good enough' to use.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote AudioDoc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2016 at 17:30
Syber,

FWIW, I am running Windows 10 on two computers with Win Defender and Malwarebytes. Between the two, I have not had problems, though I'm not a risk taker with browsing and email attachments etc. For browser cleaning and more I find CCleaner to me a very useful tool.

My wife's laptop however which has Win 10 I've installed Norton Security, because I consider her more at risk, also no issues with that setup.

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