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Originally posted by Phil Wood Phil Wood wrote:

I don't have any doubts about the result I want! Come on England! Though it has to be said that turning the tables on Australia and trouncing them in the semis is about as good as it gets for us Poms.

Sadly cricket is the A mount of UK sports at present, fading despite the excellence of the product. This weekend we have Wimbledon finals, the British Grand Prix, the Tour de France and even the Netball World Cup - all in the news as much or more than the Cricket World Cup final. :(

That could be the equivalent of a paper bag over the head - just not wanting to think about the possibility of England losing another WC final.
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What a final!!!

I'm still not sure of the 'best' team won but I watched it from after the British GP off and on and finally became engrossed in it once the scores got too close to call. I don't think I've ever seen a final in cricket quite as nerve wracking as that one! Commiserations definitely go out to the Black Caps - if they could have shared the trophy then no-one would have been unhappy.

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Originally posted by owenn01 owenn01 wrote:

What a final!!!

I'm still not sure of the 'best' team won but I watched it from after the British GP off and on and finally became engrossed in it once the scores got too close to call. I don't think I've ever seen a final in cricket quite as nerve wracking as that one! Commiserations definitely go out to the Black Caps - if they could have shared the trophy then no-one would have been unhappy.

Now to go and have a lie down in a darkened room....


It was an epic game filled with many dramatic moments.
I don't wish to appear churlish at all, but it does seem a shame that the final result was determined by one arbitrary metric (the number of boundaries) when other, just as arbitrary, metrics (like wickets taken) could have given a different outcome. I'm not arguing that there should have been a different metric, more that picking one metric out of the many that define a team's performance, it's not really a satisfactory way to select the best team.

That said, nothing can take away from the fact that this was one, very amazing (and tense, and nail-biting) final. England played extremely well during the Tournament- and from where they were at the last cup- have produced an exciting and talented side.
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Think NZ should have been awarded the world cup based on them finishing 50 overs with 2 wickets in hand. Declaring winners based on boundaries is a really rubbish metric.

I was supporting England but still a little annoyed at the way they won which IME wasn't a win.

The other ridiculous point in cricket is the DLS system, don't get me stated on that!

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Originally posted by skm.sa100 skm.sa100 wrote:

As an Indian team supporter,

The score of 240 ought not to have been too demanding but losing top 3 batsmen with 5 runs on the board pretty much sealed.
Kudos to Jadeja for mounting a defiant attack.

Kudos, of course, to Henry for the early breaks.


After they struggled with Afghanistan I am surprised they got as far as they did.

It was rubbish team with good players in it. Who the hell plays with 4 wicket keepers in the line up!! Selection folks must have been high   
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Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

Think NZ should have been awarded the world cup based on them finishing 50 overs with 2 wickets in hand. Declaring winners based on boundaries is a really rubbish metric.


True.
And that wasn't a metric - it was an Imperial - couldn't let the small colonial nation win, the bounders.
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Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

Think NZ should have been awarded the world cup based on them finishing 50 overs with 2 wickets in hand. Declaring winners based on boundaries is a really rubbish metric.

It does seem arbitrary. It's not clear why number of boundaries is a better indicator of superiority than number of scoring shots, or dot balls, or runs scored in the first X overs or the last X overs, or 'earned' runs (i.e., excluding sundries/extras), or longest six, or hitting a target on the boundary, or best tattooed arm, or I dunno.
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Watched the final in between the Scottish Open, the GP, and the tennis with the CWC taking precedence for most and all of the latter part of the afternoon. Why cant they plan these things better

As a neutral, the best final I can ever remember watching.

At the end of the day, regardless of how the final decision was made, both (all) teams knew the rules and how the final decision would be made should it come down to a draw in a super over. Both had the opportunity to knock the other out fair and square, but they didn't. So it came down to boundaries, rightly or wrongly. Somebody had to win and somebody had to lose.

My sympathies to NZ and well done to England - you and your supporters should be proud. The best two teams were in the final, and cricket was the winner. If the nest CWC final is as good as this one, I cant wait.
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Originally posted by happyjack happyjack wrote:


And that wasn't a metric - it was an Imperial - couldn't let the small colonial nation win, the bounders.


Originally posted by Atom Ant Oz Atom Ant Oz wrote:


It does seem arbitrary. It's not clear why number of boundaries is a better indicator of superiority than number of scoring shots, or dot balls, or runs scored in the first X overs or the last X overs, or 'earned' runs (i.e., excluding sundries/extras), or longest six, or hitting a target on the boundary, or best tattooed arm, or I dunno.


as said above by happyjack it just suited the situation to make them lose

If they scored more boundaries and made the same score means they also had more dot balls.

As far as i am concerned a team made 241 runs with two wickets in hand and the other team made the same score for all out. So the one team had two wickets in hand is superior! a rather simple logic to understand... Conversely looking one team took more wickets than the other, why should cricket be only a batman's game. Half the team are made of bowlers too!
Even if we go into the "super over" they should make the remaining batman play not any batsman the team likes. With the current rules you are rewarding bad cricket i.e. more dot balls and getting run out on purpose despite knowing one would be run out. If England knew they'd lose if they had less wickets would they still have taken the silly two runs? would Stokes still have ended up on the crease every single time? the answer is no and they'd have lost in both cases....
Bad cricket should not be rewarded least of all with a World cup.
That's my analysis of it anyway

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Originally posted by ABDurbs ABDurbs wrote:

Watched the final in between the Scottish Open, the GP, and the tennis with the CWC taking precedence for most and all of the latter part of the afternoon. Why cant they plan these things better

As a neutral, the best final I can ever remember watching.

At the end of the day, regardless of how the final decision was made, both (all) teams knew the rules and how the final decision would be made should it come down to a draw in a super over. Both had the opportunity to knock the other out fair and square, but they didn't. So it came down to boundaries, rightly or wrongly. Somebody had to win and somebody had to lose.

My sympathies to NZ and well done to England - you and your supporters should be proud. The best two teams were in the final, and cricket was the winner. If the nest CWC final is as good as this one, I cant wait.


They did know the rules but that doesn't make the rules any better or worst. In this case the rules are bat-s**t crazy.
Should be changed for future matches to not reward bad cricket.
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Given the unlikelihood of a tie in cricket, this was about as even as a match could be - a big part of me thinks that this would have been a good instance for the world cup to held jointly - whoever was on the wrong side of such a marginal result was bound to feel gutted...

...having said that, I am so impressed with the reported attitude of the NZ team following the result - truly admirable.
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And then to confuse matters, was England awarded an extra run in the fiftieth over as the batsmen had not crossed when Guptill threw the ball that hit Stokes's bat and ricocheted to the boundary?

Under Rule 19.8, England should have been awarded five runs, not six, and Stokes would not have been on strike for the next (and penultimate) ball of the innings.

Just wondering. 🤔
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Originally posted by Atom Ant Oz Atom Ant Oz wrote:

And then to confuse matters, was England awarded an extra run in the fiftieth over as the batsmen had not crossed when Guptill threw the ball that hit Stokes's bat and ricocheted to the boundary?

Under Rule 19.8, England should have been awarded five runs, not six, and Stokes would not have been on strike for the next (and penultimate) ball of the innings.

Just wondering. 🤔


Not sure how that worked out tbh... I couldn't really make out from the replays.

But this is/was definitely the most dramatic finals so far.
They should have at least shared the world cup as Bob said.

edit:

More on this matter on BBC
Looks like England were indeed awarded an extra run by mistake.

Edited by nandbytes - 6 hours 40 minutes ago at 15:25
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