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    Posted: 17 March 2010 at 18:45
Dear Dyxumers,

I just have posted a portrait image, but I am still
not satisfied with the obtained result. I think that
the posted image is still too yellowish, "orangeish":



Altought it was a big improvement from the original.
This is how it looked just after importing it in Lightroom:



Well, just not good enough... After adjusting the color
hues, saturation and luminance (mainly the red, yellow
and orage channels), I got the following:



What say your more experienced eyes about the colors?
Thank you for you critics and commentaries.

Camera was the Alpha 900 with a SMC-Takumar 50mm at f1.4
mounted on an chipped adapter. No flash, only available
light, hand held and (of course) manual focus.

Edit: Typo


Edited by pdellani - 17 March 2010 at 19:14
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 March 2010 at 19:17
I think the first is the best.
The second clearly too orange
the third too cold/blue, which doesn't fit the mood of an available light picture like this.

For a starting point, especially getting some feel for the temperature scale as well as the tint (green - magenta scale) I suggest you get an expodisk or WhiBal. But beware, only use it as a starting/reference point as spectroscopically correct is not always the most pleasing, depending what you want to achieve with the picture.

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Your original was taken in tungsten light (I am fairly sure), perhaps using Auto White Balance. AWB in Sony cameras (certainly in my A700)doesn't always cope with tungsten all that well but the simplest answer is usually to alter the WB in ACR or Lightroom first, leaving any other minor tweaks to hues etc until last. Easiest with a RAW file, of course, but I have just put your second jpeg above through ACR and got a fairly pleasing result on the skin tones by reducing the WB to -60 and the tint to -30. The background light remains quite yellow, but that's how it is in real life anyway.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 March 2010 at 19:24
BTW, moved the thread to digital darkroom, more fitting for this discussion than critics corner
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zekewhipper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 March 2010 at 21:35
Pdellani: Here is a topic of mine over at Dynax Digital that may interest you. One user who responded in the thread also used an A900.

WB & Cokin Filters

And here basically is the same discussion, but with some different info. over on Flicr:

WB & Cokin Filters II
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Post Options Post Options   Quote MAS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 March 2010 at 21:50
80B filter with daylight setting works good in tungsten lighting but you lose some light
to use every bit of light availible without filter just set it to tungsten or use a white sheet of paper to shoot a test shot for the custom WB
this works well on my A700
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I think you've got two different temperatures of light in the foreground and background. Play with this all you want, you'll never get them to match without using a mask or separate layers, though filters can help with that. The shot is also underexposed a little, adding to your problem.

As for the versions posted, the first is the most pleasing, though there is a little more red in the skin tone than I like. Skin becomes very subjective, and it will depend on the mood you want to portray as to how much play with the white balance you want to do.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pdellani Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 March 2010 at 00:32
Thank you for your commentaries! In the ideal case I should
take another picture, lets see if I get a new opportunity
Those eyes somehow captivate me ...

Since You seen to agree that the first version is the best,
I tweaked the white balance a little a bit more and got the following:



Jlav is correct, the image is underexposed. I shot RAW, so
there is a lot (may be too much!!!!) flexibility in adjusting
the white balance. Another minus is the lens itself: the
images taken with the SMC Takumar tend to be yellowish/orangeish,
what seens to be a known characteristic of the lens resulting
from its coating. A filter would diminish the amount of light
falling over the sensor, so not an ideal solution for this
situation. The "tungesten" setting of IDC SR produces a too
yellowish, orangeish image too.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 March 2010 at 01:15
Agree on the eyes, any lady sitting across the table looking at me this way would have me captivated as well .

Last version is the most pleasing color and tone wise.
Bottom line is you need some kind of starting point and then adjust to taste and mood.
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And voilr, a version produced using IDC SR:

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